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Old 07-15-2010, 09:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know who'd want to come here, but still...

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Additionally, this deal is a massive cap-cleanser for Toronto, allowing them to ditch the final two years of Turkoglu's onerous deal. If they can now find a taker for Jose Calderon, they could have enough cap space to offer a maximum contract in 2011 and again in 2012 (all this, of course, is speculative pending the new collective bargaining agreement and where the salary cap goes. Under present rules, however, Toronto is in real good shape).
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There aren't any max-worthy players in 2011, Tony Parker and Yao are probably your two closest options.

You sign a guy in 2011 telling him he'll be able to play with another max guy if he can wait around for a year, it's all gravy. Either way I think the pieces we have here right now are extremely attractive for potential free agents. In two years Andrea Bargnani will be the best third option in the league, and you've got a bunch of talented, athletic dudes to surround that core.
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I know its the summer league, but Derozan and Weems are killing the competition. Add a top 10 draft talent with Ed Davis, and the youth movement is looking pretty good. You are not getting any top free agents going to Toronto. Get good young prospects with Calderon, the expiring contracts of Marcus Banks & Reggie Evans, or use of the trade exceptions, and the Raptors can contend in a couple of years.
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I am not suggesting we can lure them here with the NY rumour but I believe Melo and Paul are FA then.

Also we have no idea who will make a name
for themselves in the coming years!

It also means we could afford non-max FA's don't need to break the bank!
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have a pretty good feeling that BC is gambling on a lock out after this season.
Then he would have a TON of space going into the 2012 season (while still having a good number of the young guys under cheaper contracts (minus amir :facepalm)

Could be interesting.
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I am not suggesting we can lure them here with the NY rumour but I believe Melo and Paul are FA then.

Also we have no idea who will make a name
for themselves in the coming years!

It also means we could afford non-max FA's don't need to break the bank!
shit, i forgot about melo. paul is a FA in 2012, how nice would that be? that's a george foreman two-punch knockout right there.
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I have a pretty good feeling that BC is gambling on a lock out after this season.
Then he would have a TON of space going into the 2012 season (while still having a good number of the young guys under cheaper contracts (minus amir :facepalm)

Could be interesting.
yup
preparing for lockout and possible hard cap
OR
the Raps could have a lot of cap space to sign player with similar cap situation
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2012 Raptors (oddly enough, this is when the world ends)

CP3
DeRozan
Melo
Easy E or Perry Jones
Bargs
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2012 Raptors (oddly enough, this is when the world ends)
CP3
DeRozan
Melo
Easy E or Perry Jones
Bargs
and we are going to see this team for only about a month...
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There aren't any max-worthy players in 2011, Tony Parker and Yao are probably your two closest options.

You sign a guy in 2011 telling him he'll be able to play with another max guy if he can wait around for a year, it's all gravy. Either way I think the pieces we have here right now are extremely attractive for potential free agents. In two years Andrea Bargnani will be the best third option in the league, and you've got a bunch of talented, athletic dudes to surround that core.
Bargnani will never be better than Bosh.
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I know its the summer league, but Derozan and Weems are killing the competition. Add a top 10 draft talent with Ed Davis, and the youth movement is looking pretty good. You are not getting any top free agents going to Toronto. Get good young prospects with Calderon, the expiring contracts of Marcus Banks & Reggie Evans, or use of the trade exceptions, and the Raptors can contend in a couple of years.
The Raptors aren't going to get anything from Calderon, Evans, Banks that would enable us to contend in a few years... that's just crazy talk.

And I feel like we've been saying forever "contend in a few years".
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I know its the summer league, but Derozan and Weems are killing the competition. Add a top 10 draft talent with Ed Davis, and the youth movement is looking pretty good. You are not getting any top free agents going to Toronto. Get good young prospects with Calderon, the expiring contracts of Marcus Banks & Reggie Evans, or use of the trade exceptions, and the Raptors can contend in a couple of years.


Contend for what?

Derozan has to be Wade.
Weems has to be Lebron.
Ed Davis has to be Bosh.

And don't tell me Sonny Weems is turning into Lebron, please, let's not go there.

We won't compete in the next 6-10 years or as long as that trio is playing in Miami.
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The Raptors aren't going to get anything from Calderon, Evans, Banks that would enable us to contend in a few years... that's just crazy talk.

And I feel like we've been saying forever "contend in a few years".
First of all, teams with expiring contracts have assets. Cleveland was able to acquire Antawn Jamieson with the expring contract of Ilgauskas, and Gasol was obtained by the Lakers by trading the expring contracts of Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie and the their draft pick Javaris Crittenton.

Second, teams with trade exceptions & cap room have the ability to absorb a bigger contract to obtain a young prospect. Last Year, OKC was able to obtain Eric Maynor because Utah Jazz wanted to dump the salary of Matt Harpring.

There is a rumor that Jose can get us Roy Hibbert. So yes, the expring contracts of Banks, Evans, trade exception, and Jose Calderon can net us several good players in return. Hopefully, some good young prosepcts.
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Contend for what?

Derozan has to be Wade.
Weems has to be Lebron.
Ed Davis has to be Bosh.

And don't tell me Sonny Weems is turning into Lebron, please, let's not go there.

We won't compete in the next 6-10 years or as long as that trio is playing in Miami.
actually you need people to defend them
Artest isn't better than LeBron but he can guard him
ppl think Bosh is the best PF but Gasol will dominate him
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Contend for what?

Derozan has to be Wade.
Weems has to be Lebron.
Ed Davis has to be Bosh.

And don't tell me Sonny Weems is turning into Lebron, please, let's not go there.

We won't compete in the next 6-10 years or as long as that trio is playing in Miami.
I'll say this until Miami wins a chip - only one of those guys can have the ball at any given time.

Neither LeBron or Wade have shown they can be effective spot-up shooters. I'm not saying that as a defender you can leave either guy, but you sure as hell aren't super-worried about the dish out for a LeBron 3-point shot when Wade has the ball.
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actually you need people to defend them
Artest isn't better than LeBron but he can guard him
ppl think Bosh is the best PF but Gasol will dominate him
Uh, we split the season series with the Lakers. In fact, Bosh hit a three to almost get the 2nd game.

Did Gasol dominate him?

Go look at Bosh's stats against elite teams, or go find an old post I made about it. No one dominates Bosh.

And who told you Artest could guard Lebron? Didn't the Cavs sweep them this year? Wade/Lebron/Bosh are also pretty good defenders themselves. Look at Pierce's stats in the Cleveland series when being gaurded by Lebron.

The Raptors will NOT have any chance at a championship with that trio playing in Miami, I guarantee it.
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First of all, teams with expiring contracts have assets.
I wouldn't call Evans and Banks "assets". Chandler had a 13m expiry and Charlotte traded him for... cap relief (Dampier, whose contract isn't guaranteed). In other words, they didn't flip their "asset" into anything special, they just eliminated it. Banks and Evans won't get us anything special.

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Cleveland was able to acquire Antawn Jamieson with the expring contract of Ilgauskas, and Gasol was obtained by the Lakers by trading the expring contracts of Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie and the their draft pick Javaris Crittenton.
And 2 1st rounders and this guy named Marc Gasol, I heard he's pretty good... how can you forget the most important parts of the deal?

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Second, teams with trade exceptions & cap room have the ability to absorb a bigger contract to obtain a young prospect. Last Year, OKC was able to obtain Eric Maynor because Utah Jazz wanted to dump the salary of Matt Harpring.
And? Everyone already knew that...

Having a TPE and cap room doesn't mean we'll be contenders in a few years like you claimed... We got a TPE because we lost Bosh and we'll have cap room just like any other team in the league.

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There is a rumor that Jose can get us Roy Hibbert.
Keyword being: Rumor

To be more precise... "Internet message board Rumor that was started by someone on.... Twitter"

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So yes, the expring contracts of Banks, Evans, trade exception, and Jose Calderon can net us several good players in return. Hopefully, some good young prosepcts.
Man, god bless your soul. I know you want nothing best for this team, as do I, but I want you to be more realistic. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. An over-paid, not top 20 NBA PG starter in Calderon isn't going to get us a prospect on a rookie-scale contract. You've got to be kidding me...
Best case scenario, we'll get another Diaw-like-player on a shorter-term.
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I'll say this until Miami wins a chip - only one of those guys can have the ball at any given time.

Neither LeBron or Wade have shown they can be effective spot-up shooters. I'm not saying that as a defender you can leave either guy, but you sure as hell aren't super-worried about the dish out for a LeBron 3-point shot when Wade has the ball.
problem is when LeBron has the ball and dish to wade for an open jumper
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Contend for what?

Derozan has to be Wade.
Weems has to be Lebron.
Ed Davis has to be Bosh.
The great teams from the past build through the draft. San Antonio, Chicago, Boston (80's) got their core from the draft. All I am saying is we have a starting point. Add a couple of drafts where we have several Top 5 or Top 10 picks and we have team that could contend. OKC pushed Lakers deep in the playoffs.
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Uh, we split the season series with the Lakers. In fact, Bosh hit a three to almost get the 2nd game.

Did Gasol dominate him?

Go look at Bosh's stats against elite teams, or go find an old post I made about it. No one dominates Bosh.

And who told you Artest could guard Lebron? Didn't the Cavs sweep them this year? Wade/Lebron/Bosh are also pretty good defenders themselves. Look at Pierce's stats in the Cleveland series when being gaurded by Lebron.

The Raptors will NOT have any chance at a championship with that trio playing in Miami, I guarantee it.
playoffs are a different story, I thought the C's thought us that

who would you take in a playoff series, Gasol or CB1?
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