Hollinger draft rater: Derozan out of the top 12
Old 06-20-2009, 10:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hollinger draft rater: Derozan out of the top 12

He's not very high on Derozan!

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I'd be hard-pressed to name a potential high lottery pick through the years that the Draft Rater has been less excited about. I rated 90 prospects for this draft, and DeRozan ranked 54th among them. Two of his teammates -- Daniel Hackett and Taj Gibson -- outranked him, as did assorted other non-entities like Kevin Rogers, Chinemelu Elonu and Ben Woodside. I'll wait here while you Google them.

Why? Because there really isn't anything in DeRozan's statistical profile that makes you think "NBA star." He rarely took or made 3-pointers and he had a strongly negative pure point rating, which are two powerful indicators for a wing player, and his numbers in other areas were unimpressive, too. In particular, he was a bad free-throw shooter, which indicates that his outside shot might not ever be a strong suit.

Some scouts I have talked to have compared DeRozan to Rudy Gay in terms of being an NBA athlete but having a questionable motor, but that comparison falls flat, according to the Draft Rater: Gay was the top-rated player in his draft class, while DeRozan is nowhere close. And while he's supposed to be a great athlete, he didn't show it on the court often enough: His rebound, block and steal totals were all very ordinary.

As I mentioned above, one-and-done players sometimes fool the system -- they're the youngest, least experienced guys in the pool, and, thus, a major factor is how much they improve post-draft rather than just how good they are pre-draft.

Nonetheless, I'd back away from DeRozan if the 12 relatively safe guys at the top of the Draft Rater are still on the board.

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Top 12-Rated Collegians For 2009
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1. Ty Lawson North Carolina 16.34
2. Blake Griffin Oklahoma 16.21
3. Tyreke Evans Memphis 15.02
4. Austin Daye Gonzaga 14.24
5. Stephen Curry Davidson 14.18
6. Nick Calathes Florida 13.66
7. DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh 13.56
8. Danny Green North Carolina 13.28
9. Jonny Flynn Syracuse 12.99
10. James Harden Arizona St. 12.97
11. Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut 12.90
12. Earl Clark Louisville 12.88
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Has did dude ever based an opinion on anything that's not a stadistic? Has he ever said I dont like this player because of the way I saw him play?
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Old 06-20-2009, 10:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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This guy's a stat-whore - I don't take his findings or "droppings" seriously
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lets not draft DeRozan

get one of the PG's (Flynn, Lawson,or BPGA) and trade Caldy
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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WOW I'll never take Hollinger serious, all he talks about are stats.
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
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lets not draft DeRozan

get one of the PG's (Flynn, Lawson,or BPGA) and trade Caldy
No thanks. There's no way Marion wants to be in a system with a rookie PG (he atleast wants to be in the playoffs). I dont think Bosh wants a PG who is going to take atleast a year in his contract year making mistakes and learning the NBA game.

I think alot of ppl on this forum will be shocked @ how good Calderon will be next year. He's one of the best PG's in the league when healthy.
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No thanks. There's no way Marion wants to be in a system with a rookie PG (he atleast wants to be in the playoffs). I dont think Bosh wants a PG who is going to take atleast a year in his contract year making mistakes and learning the NBA game.

I think alot of ppl on this forum will be shocked @ how good Calderon will be next year. He's one of the best PG's in the league when healthy.
people are acting like Marion and Bosh are gone very soon
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Derozan didn't really use his athleticism at USC much, so it's likely Hollinger's stats rated him as an average athlete. Combined with his lack of ability elsewhere so far it's no surprise he'd do poorly in a system like this
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We should send this to the Clippers organization so they can screw up once more by picking lawson #1 overall
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people are acting like Marion and Bosh are gone very soon
Marion might be gon in a month, and Bosh who at this point?
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Kierkegaard said it most appropriately.."subjectivity is truth/truth is subjectivity"..throw objective stats out the window and go with your gut..this guy is a complete tool..
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This makes me want Derozan.
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:02 PM   #16 (permalink)
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everyone already knows hollinger does everything based on stats and formulas
but he also knows this, he's just showing everyone what things look like from a numbers view
he doesn't say you have to take it exactly the way it is
you have to take it for what its worth, as in numbers!
he's just showing everyone another angle of looking at stuff
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Even I have to laugh at those numbers.
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