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Old 06-01-2009, 07:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just saw a youtube compilation on the Raptors previous draft. It's really quite sad and madening. Especially Haffa. That pick set us us back years imo.


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Old 06-01-2009, 09:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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yeah that Haffa pick was brutal haha

I think this vid is a little hard on joey g and bargs.

SURE other guys were better but those picks didn't stand out as poor choices at the time.
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Haffa hurt because if you were drafting big then you should've drafted Biedrins simply because his upside was higher than Haffa's. Typically bigs are drafted on their potential (more than any position). Hell, I would've taken Biedrins over Iggy.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yeah that Haffa pick was brutal haha

I think this vid is a little hard on joey g and bargs.

SURE other guys were better but those picks didn't stand out as poor choices at the time.
Joey was a huge disapointment until this season when he finally showed some flashes of his athletic ability.
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Joey was awesome in college... don't have his numbers on hand but you've gotta be decent to be on the cover of a book/video.

He's just another guy who was on a short leash with Smitch... Joey could have very well been the franchise player in Indiana.
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] Joey could have very well been the franchise player in Indiana.
Crazy talk. I don't deny that Smitch had Joey on a short leash, but to insinuate that Joey Graham was held back from being a potential franchise player is just...I don't even know...
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Crazy talk. I don't deny that Smitch had Joey on a short leash, but to insinuate that Joey Graham was held back from being a potential franchise player is just...I don't even know...
I'll be nice and say.......silly? lol
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Well the video is right: it's easy to look back and criticize draft picks. It's a little early to tell how Bargs will turn out.

The thing is, with most of these guys you don't know what you're getting. The only surefire guy in the last decade was probably LeBron. But he was a fucking beast at his age and could have played football just as well as basketball. Remember how Milicic was chosen before Melo, Bosh, Wade? On the other hand, a guy like Josh Howard was the last pick in the first round that year, behind Delfino, Kaman, and Zoran Plananic. Every year there are players who underachieve greatly and those who overachieve greatly. I think the Raps have drafted so many underachievers lately that by pure statistics we should end up with a guy who will at least make an impact.
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Well the video is right: it's easy to look back and criticize draft picks. It's a little early to tell how Bargs will turn out.

The thing is, with most of these guys you don't know what you're getting. The only surefire guy in the last decade was probably LeBron. But he was a fucking beast at his age and could have played football just as well as basketball. Remember how Milicic was chosen before Melo, Bosh, Wade? On the other hand, a guy like Josh Howard was the last pick in the first round that year, behind Delfino, Kaman, and Zoran Plananic. Every year there are players who underachieve greatly and those who overachieve greatly. I think the Raps have drafted so many underachievers lately that by pure statistics we should end up with a guy who will at least make an impact.
Only 1 surfire player in the last decade? Really?
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Only 1 surfire player in the last decade? Really?
Sure. What other number 1 pick (assuming that the number one pick is chosen for being the supposedly best player in the draft) did you know was going to be a superstar in the league? Out of guys like: K-Mart, Kwame Brown, Yao, Howard, Bogut, Bargs, Oden, and Rose? Only Howard is undoubtedly the best player in his class, and he's great; but he couldn't carry his team by himself like LeBron, Shaq or Duncan did.

Yea, other players were billed as great prospects, but in reality there were busts chosen at the #1 spot and great players chosen at the #21 spot.
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I dunno, Howard was considered a sure fire thinkg, so was Yao the year he was drafted.

Also to adress your earlier post, I'd take Kaman over Josh Howard any day of the week.
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I think that people forget the best basketball Joey ever played was in his second season (06/07) down the stretch under Mitchell.
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I think people forget that these drafts already happened and cannot be changed, unless you have a time machine
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I think that people forget the best basketball Joey ever played was in his second season (06/07) down the stretch under Mitchell.
Agreed, but the stretch where he played "good" basketball this year was sustained for longer than his "great" stretch under Smitch.
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I think the common thing about when Joey has produced is that he's had no competition at the spot. When Garbo went down he was told he was starting and was the man...he produced. This year before Marion, he had his role and no real competition and he produced...as soon as Marion showed up, he felt the pressure of having to perform every second on the court and folded.
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I dunno, Howard was considered a sure fire thinkg, so was Yao the year he was drafted.

Also to adress your earlier post, I'd take Kaman over Josh Howard any day of the week.
They were supposed to be good, and they are... but they're not like Shaq, or Duncan, or Dave Robinson, or Magic, where there were almost no doubts of the players becoming future HoFers. I'm talking about Len Bias level hype (unfortunately he destroyed himself, he would've been one of the best ever). Those type of players only come around once or twice a decade, and I don't think any other player besides LeBron was really that highly regarded and lived up to the hype.

And I'd take Kaman last off-season any day. But this season he was injured so much that I don't think he can bounce back and contribute anywhere near 19/13 ever again in his career.
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I think the common thing about when Joey has produced is that he's had no competition at the spot. When Garbo went down he was told he was starting and was the man...he produced. This year before Marion, he had his role and no real competition and he produced...as soon as Marion showed up, he felt the pressure of having to perform every second on the court and folded.
Yes, sir.

Not to mention, anyone thinks that he can't play under a hard-nosed coach, please explain his success under Eddie Sutton at Oklahoma.
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