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Old 06-30-2009, 06:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is why I am not a fan of Hedo Turkoglu's

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In this edition of the NBA At 2: Hedo Turkoglu isn't a team's savior in free agency…Carlos Boozer isn't worth any of the numbers being tossed around…Yi Jianlian impressing his teammates this offseason…Upcoming HOOPSWORLD chats.

What Does Hedo Bring? Free agent forward Hedo Turkoglu reportedly wants $10 million a year after his solid season and fantastic postseason with the Orlando Magic. Is that a good investment, for any team? Before anyone makes a commitment to him, here are some things to keep in mind.

Turkoglu is 30 years old. That means he is in the upper part of the prime years of his career. Should he sign a free agent contract for the maximum years (six from Orlando, five from everyone else, unless Orlando facilitates a sign-and-trade), he will be 35 or 36 when the deal expires. Chances are by that time he will be overpaid for his production, because that's what happens to players at the end of their careers. It's not generally considered fiscally prudent to give contracts at that length and for the dollars Turkoglu is seeking to an athlete past the big 3-0.

He's not that great of a shooter overall. Without looking it up, can you guess how many times in his nine-year NBA career Turkoglu has shot better than 43% from the field? Twice. Now, during his career he has also shot 37% or better from three-point range seven times (last year it was 36%). So what does that tell us? It says that inside of the three-point line Turkoglu does not take good shots. In fact, for his career he has shot 38.5% from the field on three-point shots and 46% on two-point shots (and 80% from the line). Roughly one-third of the shots in his NBA career have come from beyond the arc, but that also says that on two-thirds of the shots he takes – inside the arc – he is going to miss more than half the time. Is that acceptable? It depends on how you view Turkoglu. If he is going to be a ball handler and initiate the offense on your team, meaning he will work primarily from the outside, perhaps this works for you. If you need to fill a small forward role on your team and want Turkoglu because he's the best available who is a small forward, this will not work at all.

Why? Because Turkoglu is not a good rebounder. He is a finesse player who despite being 6-10 has only topped five rebounds a game twice in his career (the past two seasons at 5.7 and 5.3). He also isn't known for his defense, though it's not horrible. Lateral quickness is not his specialty, but he plays smart defense and has been known to give a bump at just the right time to throw off a player's timing and positioning. Since he is usually guarding smaller players, this can be effective.

Now, if you want Turkoglu to help run your offense in a point-forward role because perhaps you don't have a strong point guard or your point guard is a better scorer than facilitator, then you will be signing the right player. At 4.9 assists a game over the past two seasons, Turkoglu has become a more effective player the more he has the ball in his hands. This worked well with Jameer Nelson and Rafer Alston, but it won't work with everyone. He ranked 35th in the NBA last season in assists with his 4.9 per game average; however, his assist/turnover ratio was only 1.84/1 – not really anything to write home about.

Again, good for a small forward as a change of pace to a standard offense, but not as good as decent point guard.

Where Turkoglu sets himself apart is with his brains. He knows how to do the small things in clutch situations, he isn't afraid to take that big shot, and he isn't afraid to pass on that big shot for a better one for a teammate. How much is that worth? Turkoglu passed on $35 million over four years from the Orlando Magic just after helping lead them to the 2009 NBA Finals (hence the decision to move for Vince Carter) – do his numbers justify more than that, if it's even available on the open market? Do they even justify that offer?

If you were in charge of a team and they were making a decision on whether or not to add Hedo Turkoglu for $10 million a year, would you do it? Leave your thoughts in the comments below.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I love Turkoglu's game, but I just don't think he fits on our team as long as we have Bargs.

On the other hand, if we also added Turky and Dirkie then we would have a monopoly on non-black, non-American, relatively non-physical 7-footers who play away from the rim.

Don't get me wrong: I love Turkoglu's game. He just doesn't fit on our team right now.
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Old 06-30-2009, 08:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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if we can't get marion, I would offer 45/4yr but heavily tilted towards the end of the contract. Hedu at 13 mils in his final year would be great trade value, and 10/yr in the first 3 is reasonable. But marion is still my first choice.
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turk wants 10 mil per, no efen way he's worrth it.

keep marion, he'll most likely be cheaper, more suited to run, more suited for perimter defence, better compliment to Bargnani who can't rebound
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turk wants 10 mil per, no efen way he's worrth it.

keep marion, he'll most likely be cheaper, more suited to run, more suited for perimter defence, better compliment to Bargnani who can't rebound
I agree, but what if Marion doesn't want to stay and a good deal in a S&T can't be agreed upon?


Marion is gonna want 8-9Mil, Hedo @9-10Mil isn't a huge difference. Even though i think that way too much for him.
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I agree, but what if Marion doesn't want to stay and a good deal in a S&T can't be agreed upon?


Marion is gonna want 8-9Mil, Hedo @9-10Mil isn't a huge difference. Even though i think that way too much for him.
if it was me i would pursue artest before hedo. i flat out don't think hedo is the answer for this team and would rather them pass on him all together even if it means no big aquisition.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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if it was me i would pursue artest before hedo. i flat out don't think hedo is the answer for this team and would rather them pass on him all together even if it means no big aquisition.
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Hedo's #s speak for themselves.
He is a headcase if he can't just ride Supermans cape to a championship...
more likely though, he can't see the Majic beating the Lakers in the next
24-36 months, so he and his agent is screaming
SHOW ME THE MONEY!

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Old 06-30-2009, 09:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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headcase? you quote a guy that is advocating the raps should go after artest, and hedo is the headcase?
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Artest is tough as nails and can flatout play defence.
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:01 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Everyone has flaws and one can write a harsher article about Marion too. If Marion is worth 8m, then why not pay Hedo 10 m? Hedo in playoffs is wasy better than the choking Marion. He's also one year younger than Marion. His percentage is not impressive but remember the teams they eliminated before getting to the finals and they lost two overtime games in the finals and Hedo was even playing the PG as they had no contribution from their PGs. Hedo is a guy who will play better when things get tough. Maybe not good fit for Toronto which is not a contender. I hope he goes to Portland and they play for the title.
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Calderon runs the offense in TO
Hedo was the "PG" in Orlando b/c Rafer isn't a great ball distributor
Raptors already have shooters, they need someone that can rebound and play some defense
Marion is better suited
we need players that attack the basket and don't settle for an outside shot
I'm not saying Hedo is a bad player but he's not a great fit on this team
I thought the Raps wanted to get more athletic, Hedo isn't an athletic guy

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