Hedo was MVP for magic last season
Old 08-14-2009, 06:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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According to Ric Bucher , who is an NBA reporter and also analyst for ESPN said that Hedo was the MVP in the Orlando magic last season. He also added that Magic is not the best team in the East, rather its Celtics or Cavs. We have to be proud and praise BC for bringing Orlando's Most Valuable Player to Toronto.
Addition to the article, he said Vince Carter was not a big upgrade to Orlando after losing Hedo.

I totally agree with Ric Bucher. Hedo plays better under pressure and every team has experiences pressure in the fourth quarter. Hedo was the "go to guy" in Orlando and he delivered. Vince cannot take Hedo's place in Orlando.

The question now remains , Who is the MVP of Toronto?
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The question now remains , Who is the MVP of Toronto?
Ask again in 6 months.
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i conquer. this may be a little premature. but, there is a high percentage it own't be turkoglo.
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I have no doubts that Turkoglu will be the catalyst of this team's success, not necessarily the MVP.
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I have no doubts that Turkoglu will be the catalyst of this team's success, not necessarily the MVP.
i agree...i think the most valuable player for us is going to someone like jose or bargs....because when they seem to play well our team does well.....but nevertheless hedo is gonna be huge for us....
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I'm not surprised. All Dwight Howard does is play inside, rebound and play some D. Hedo is clutch, he is a professional leader, he can handle the ball and the praises go on and on. Not a superstar but a staple player for any good team.
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Without Dwight the Magic are nothing.

Without Hedo the Magic still win a round.

Without Dwight, Hedo doesnt get nearly as many open looks nor drives to the rim off pick and roll since the roller wont be anywhere as big of a threat. And, on top of that, the players on the perimeter dont get the same looks either without Dwight in the middle forcing the D to collapse. No threat of inside play=no open 3s.

Ric Buchers a douche who has gotten his tweets and articles all wrong this summer. Then he goes back 2 hours later and claims his sources are wrong or just corrects himself. He sucks. This report just proves that further.

Dwight is the Magics everything.
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Old 08-15-2009, 05:40 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have no doubts that Turkoglu will be the catalyst of this team's success, not necessarily the MVP.
I do, and MVP talk is ... well, you know.

The Man Via Plane from Turkey is only slightly above average on offence and a less than average defender who will get exposed as such without D12 covering his ass.

On offense, he was a more consistant Anthony Parker, on defence he was Jason Kapono vs New jersey that one year, in couple of games.

A few other things from last year ...

Without the ball in his hands 40% of the sets or more, he floats, sure he has some skills and is a bit above average in the regular season, but only tries hard if the rest of the guys get him to the post season ...
Like Jason Kapono; looked like a steal @4.5 mil yearly based on his work for Miami in the playoffs, except there are 82 other games to play to get there.

If he is/was the MVP of the Magic, how did the Raptors beat them twice last year, @home on Jan 4, W 108-102, without Jose Calderone or Jermaine O'neil and they had their full team, and on the road with Shawn Marion and Jose Calderone on Apr 1.

Look at the box scores for the answer ... the Man Via Plane shot 33 - 40fg% on a daily basis with Jameer Nelson, a top 6 PG(EC), in the lineup, 40-45fg% with Rafer Alston manning the point.
The Raptors have Jose Calderone, a top 3/4 PG(EC).

Hedo and the Magic won @home, 90 -103, on Nov. 18, with a full team and the Raptors were missing Jose Calderone, and 90 -113, on Feb 1, both with full teams.

He has no post up game.
Has never shown one in all his years in the league, and will not suddenly have one ... ain't gonna happen, so stop thinking that way ... he has none, nada, zilch.
His game is 75% jumpshots, 15% drives, 4% ft, with 1% block work, and if his jumpshot is not falling he is less than Anthony Parker due to his lack of quickness and athleticism.

And to all those that think that his skills are such that he doesn't have to be fast or quick, and he will maintain for the next 3/4 yrs, I would like to believe you ... but I won't.

Hedo is but a peice of the new Raptors pie, a vent hole on the top perhaps, but not icing sugar in the top.
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Without Dwight the Magic are nothing.

Without Hedo the Magic still win a round.
Then...without hedo, Orlando is worse.
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We'll see next year, but again, without Dwight running the pick and roll with Hedo last year, Hedo wouldnt look anywhere near as good. He'd look like your average role player with more attention being paid to him.

Its good we still have Bosh because that'll still allow Hedo to do what he does without all of the attention being on him. Hedo is special because hes a 6'10 guy who can handle the ball and run a team for a lot of the game at the 3 pt line and make plays. The only guy that comes close to that description is Lamar Odom and although hes a great ballhandler for his size hes never ran a team like Hedo has in the halfcourt.

And Vassco, just because I'm saying Hedo isnt their MVP nor main cog doesnt mean I dont like or am insulting him. If you dont have Dwight in the middle for ORL, ORL wouldnt run anything like they do now with their halfcourt sets, they wouldnt get open looks, and the floor wouldnt be spaced for Hedo and Nelson to manouver. They might have still been a 7th or 8th seed because they still had Nelson Hedo and Turk and a good supporting cast but nothing close to the top seeds. And in terms of last season, you take away Dwight and Nelson since he was injured, they may have not made the playoffs with Rafer Alston in place the entire year. But thats going too far in the hypotheticals. Point being Dwight and Bosh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hedo. Ric Bucher=clown.
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you can't use stats in 1 or 2 games and make a point with them, it's statistically insane.


but I will say that - hedu's role in that offense was more important than Howard's. The way they played, you can replace howard with any other quality center, and it will still work well.

Of course, howard is a moster on defense, especially with the love he gets from refs (he gets aways with .5 to 1 goal tending a game). Without howard, magic will be just as good on offense, but nowhere as good on D.

THerefore I kind of understand where bucher is coming from, because on the offensive side, hedu was the heart and soul of that team. When hedu was hobbling against philly , magic has really struggled on offense. When he got better, they've destroyed them, even without howard. He was the PG of that team, and good PGs are always the MVP on offense.
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With Bargs, Bosh and Turk all staying outside the paint I'm hoping Bargs can develop his post moves and play post or outside depending on the game situation and opposing defense.

Bargs can be better. Not sure if it's something he's being coached not to do. We know from last year that some of the things he doesn't do are because he's being told not to. Never understood why, I suppose because he was still learning and they didn't want him getting in foul trouble with skills he doesn't excel at yet.
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With Bargs, Bosh and Turk all staying outside the paint I'm hoping Bargs can develop his post moves and play post or outside depending on the game situation and opposing defense.

Bargs can be better. Not sure if it's something he's being coached not to do. We know from last year that some of the things he doesn't do are because he's being told not to. Never understood why, I suppose because he was still learning and they didn't want him getting in foul trouble with skills he doesn't excel at yet.
Hopefully with age comes widom and this year he will know what to do rather than being told to.
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Old 08-15-2009, 04:51 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Without Dwight the Magic are nothing.

Without Hedo the Magic still win a round.

Without Dwight, Hedo doesnt get nearly as many open looks nor drives to the rim off pick and roll since the roller wont be anywhere as big of a threat. And, on top of that, the players on the perimeter dont get the same looks either without Dwight in the middle forcing the D to collapse. No threat of inside play=no open 3s.

Ric Buchers a douche who has gotten his tweets and articles all wrong this summer. Then he goes back 2 hours later and claims his sources are wrong or just corrects himself. He sucks. This report just proves that further.

Dwight is the Magics everything.
Did you see the closeout game between PHI and ORL in the playoffs?

The Magic played WITHOUT D12 (suspended) and blew out the Sixers by 30 on the road.

Hedo/Lewis/Nelson would still be a pretty good trio and Gortat stepping in down low would help a bit too.

They certainly wouldn't be a 60-win team without Howard.... but they wouldn't be trash either.
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Hedo/Lewis/Nelson would still be a pretty good trio
I don't think anyone can deny that a team with three all-strars former or current can't win games. Plus with a coach like Van Gundy you can't go wrong.
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SIGH. Another one

Where do you find that much time to "criticize" a Raptors player even without see only one match under "your team" jersey , really dun know.

I have lots of REAL stats on my pocket but I will not waste them for you cuz you are saying "I would like to believe you ... but I won't"

But i advice you to read below fair article which was written before playoff series, may be it can make sense on you, may be......

Underrating underratedness: The Hedo Turkoglu story - Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Articles by paid scribes don't form or brace my opinions, I believe what I see.

No Vellasco,
I am THE one ...
to give all you rabid Hedo Turkoglu fanboys a .
with a cold dose of reality.

The joke is played out, its just not funny any more.

All of you are being ridiculous with this MVP talk as if he is in a league, talent wise, with Kobe, Wade, Dwight, Bosh, and Lebron.
MVP type players are outstanding in any systyem ... Hedo, not so much.

Vellasco, stop posting on this subject.
You are embarrassing those of us that actually like what he will bring to the team.

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