Hedo as BC's new Nash
Old 10-05-2009, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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http://www.hoopsaddict.com/colangelo-compares-turkoglu-to-nash/

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“35-year-old players are 35-year-old players. I don’t think Steve (Nash) ever did it with his pure athletic attributes, it was more what he did to prepare himself for the game of basketball and the guy is just a competitor,” Colangelo explained to the media recently.
“Hedo (Turkoglu) is going to be in the same way a very smart player. He’s going to make the right decisions. He’s going to get people the ball when they need to get the ball and he’s going to make big shots and big plays when he needs to. That’s just the kind of player he has proven to be over the course of his career.”
When looking at players as they age, general managers tend to shy away from jump shooters or slashers once they turn 30 because that’s when their legs tend to leave them. Nash and Turkoglu appear immune to this as they aren’t jump shooters - they’re the kind of player who use their mind to gain an advantage on their opponent.
I've been thinking about Turkoglu in much the same way lately. The comparison seems pretty suitable to me. But is it maybe hoping for a little too much? Could be. I don't think anyone expects an MVP in our midsts, but if Hedo could find career years here in much the way Nash did, it would be nice.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting perspective.

I hope it ends up being the case.

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Old 10-05-2009, 11:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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hedo mvp no, hedo playing a similar role and level as nash.....im really hoping some
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Why dont' we wait for signs age is catching up to him before endlessly disect the possibility??
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Why dont' we wait for signs age is catching up to him before endlessly disect the possibility??
I agree SWAN. What I mean to suggest is that we should maybe look for just the opposite - seeing him excel as never before.
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Why dont' we wait for signs age is catching up to him before endlessly disect the possibility??
Sign's? how about shooting just over 41% last season(brutal) and showing up to orlando magic trainging camp out of shape? or how about showing up to Raptors training camp with bad knee's?


some will point to nash, i will point to jalen rose
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Sign's? how about shooting just over 41% last season(brutal) and showing up to orlando magic trainging camp out of shape? or how about showing up to Raptors training camp with bad knee's?


some will point to nash, i will point to jalen rose
And that would miss the point entirely. Jalen was hopeless once he lost his athleticism. Seeing him shuffling down the court was sad. Look at Hedo and you will see a guy that manages to get to the basket and create with crafty moves that don't require the skillset that Jalen had, but more of the mindset that Nash had.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I would have to agree that Turk is going to have a career year here. He's finally playing on a Euro type team. That should give him a comfort level like none he's had in the NBA. He allready refers to his teamates as friends when he said they were ribbing him for not practicing.

I think Hedo will have a career year shooting the ball here. His assist total should be at least as good as in Orlando though the ball probably won't go through him quite as much here with both Calderon and Jack manning the points. He will also surprise many people with his ability to play good team defence. He's also great at keeping his guy off the defensive boards as well which should really help our rebounding. Our wings last year couldn't keep their man off the boards if their life depended on it.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Colangelo has a way of finding smart players. Anthony Parker, Jorge Garbajosa and Hedo Turkoglu are all strong examples of this here in Toronto. I hope Hedo holds up as nicely as Nash has.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I would have to agree that Turk is going to have a career year here. He's finally playing on a Euro type team.
He was originally drafted by the Kings. If there ever was an NBA team that played "Euroball", Sacramento team with Divac, Webber, Stojakovic, Bibby and others was it.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He was originally drafted by the Kings. If there ever was an NBA team that played "Euroball", Sacramento team with Divac, Webber, Stojakovic, Bibby and others was it.
and how old was hedo when he was playing there? how much experience under his belt at the highest level?
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And that would miss the point entirely. Jalen was hopeless once he lost his athleticism. Seeing him shuffling down the court was sad. Look at Hedo and you will see a guy that manages to get to the basket and create with crafty moves that don't require the skillset that Jalen had, but more of the mindset that Nash had.
no you missed the point. Nash is nothing like Hedo, Rose's game was all too similar. Rose was a crafty sf with great handle and passing ability and was never athletic. His game had numerous comparison's to hedo's , far more then nash . What happend to rose? well at around 30 his production started falling off a cliff. did i mention that rose was never a great athlete? i think i did

people who want to think hedo won't slip because he was never an athlete most likely have some reality coming their way. This is basketball, when you get old ,you slow and you get more injury prone. Players that were great athletes become average ones and players that were shit athletes become almost immobile. This thinking that hedo can become a walrus and still perform because "he doesn't rely on athleticsm" is sheer nonsense.

41% last season, if thats not a red flag i don't know what is. Now his knee's are hurting which is only turning him into more of a walrus. I won't complain if he misses a whole bunch of time though, wouldn't mind seeing derozan getting extra time at the 3 as well. but 41% shooting is gonna be just brutal, praying for the injured list
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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He doesn't have a big knee problem.I could only say one thing,he's a team player and makes his teammates better.I'm waiting an improvement on Bargnani's statistics this year just because of Hedo
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GrannyFro with the false staements all around.

First off in the comparison to Jalen, you are leaving one important thing out.
And that is Jalens love of putting Jalen first. You can never count out the fact that a player who is always gonna be team first is going to do whatever he possibly can to help the team in anyway.
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no you missed the point. Nash is nothing like Hedo, Rose's game was all too similar. Rose was a crafty sf with great handle and passing ability and was never athletic. His game had numerous comparison's to hedo's , far more then nash . What happend to rose? well at around 30 his production started falling off a cliff. did i mention that rose was never a great athlete? i think i did

people who want to think hedo won't slip because he was never an athlete most likely have some reality coming their way. This is basketball, when you get old ,you slow and you get more injury prone. Players that were great athletes become average ones and players that were shit athletes become almost immobile. This thinking that hedo can become a walrus and still perform because "he doesn't rely on athleticsm" is sheer nonsense.

41% last season, if thats not a red flag i don't know what is. Now his knee's are hurting which is only turning him into more of a walrus. I won't complain if he misses a whole bunch of time though, wouldn't mind seeing derozan getting extra time at the 3 as well. but 41% shooting is gonna be just brutal, praying for the injured list
Rose could barely lift his feet in the end. He was slow and not very active where he had once been pretty quick and active. He relied on a certain amount of athleticism, even if he wasn't MJ.
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GrannyFro with the false staements all around.

First off in the comparison to Jalen, you are leaving one important thing out.
And that is Jalens love of putting Jalen first. You can never count out the fact that a player who is always gonna be team first is going to do whatever he possibly can to help the team in anyway.
give me a break, I'm sure hedo is some selfless hero.

that's must be why he left a finals team to play with the raps for a bigger paycheque. What makes you possibly think hedo is less selfish then rose was? both players needed the ball in their hands to be effective, both chuck and pass(rose actually shot a decent percentage).

did you even watch rose becfore he came to the raps as a washed up 31 year old? don't know why i'm asking this beause obviously you didn't. His game had many, many similarities to the way turkoglu played in his prime(which was 2 seasons ago by the way). Hedo is a poor mans Rose with more weight on his knee's and just like rose, in his thirties will be washed up(and paid)
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comparing Hedo Turkoglu to Jalen Rose.... i don't know how anyone could come up with that one.... and to actually argue Jalen's superiority? interesting.
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J was pretty damn good in his prime but he was not a facilitator. Jalen seemed to enjoy being the guy who took the shot more than the guy who set it up throughout the game. However, when the game is on the line give me Hedo in his prime over J in his prime. Jalen wins out on the defensive side of the ball though. He also had a sweet post up game for a guard... When he went to it.
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give me a break, I'm sure hedo is some selfless hero.

that's must be why he left a finals team to play with the raps for a bigger paycheque. What makes you possibly think hedo is less selfish then rose was? both players needed the ball in their hands to be effective, both chuck and pass(rose actually shot a decent percentage).

did you even watch rose becfore he came to the raps as a washed up 31 year old? don't know why i'm asking this beause obviously you didn't. His game had many, many similarities to the way turkoglu played in his prime(which was 2 seasons ago by the way). Hedo is a poor mans Rose with more weight on his knee's and just like rose, in his thirties will be washed up(and paid)
That is funny.

Hedo left the Magic cause they mistreated him in regards to a contract.
Hedo gets more assists than Rose.
Both do need the ball, but so does someone like Nash.
And Hedo flourishes in a P&R style, Rose posts up.

Really you need to come with more than that against me.
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Oh and Career Total Shot 5(which is a much better way of guaging a players shooting ability.
Hedo-.541%
Rose-.530%
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