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Budenholzer 1 3.45%
Iavaroni 1 3.45%
Johnson 1 3.45%
Messina 13 44.83%
Thibodeau 0 0%
Triano 13 44.83%
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Old 04-13-2009, 05:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Most candidates have been discussed previously so I don't think there is a need for a bio on each coach
Plus there is something called google, use it for some info

Mike Budenholzer (Spurs assistant coach)
Thibodeau (Celtics assistant coach)
Ettore Messina (CSKA head coach)
Avery Johnson (former Mavs head coach)
Triano (current head coach)
Marc Iavaroni (former Memphis coach and Raptors "visitor")


Flip Saunders and Eddie Johnson are off the market
It looks like Flip Saunders will be the coach of the Wiz
Johnson, coach of the Kings


Lawrence Frank is a wildcard
might be fired by the Nets

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Old 04-13-2009, 07:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No secret that I like Triano so I want to see what he can accomplish with a better roster and a fulll season under his belt.

If he HAD to be replaced though Lawrence Frank would be my top pick. Very smart coach. Messina's intriguing.... but who really knows if the NBA game is suited to him?
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Old 04-13-2009, 08:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I voted Messina solely based on what some posters here (more familiar with him than myself) have said about him in the past. By all accounts the man sounds like a genius basketball mind - and i gather any team would benefit from having to play under someone like him.

I'll be the first to admit that i wouldn;t be qualified to pick the best coach by any means - but i'm really sold on Messina.
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Old 04-13-2009, 08:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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2 future NBA head coaches

2. Jim Boylen. The University of Utah coach spent 11 years as an assistant to Rudy Tomjanovich in Houston (helping the Rockets win two championships) in addition to a season each with Golden State and Milwaukee. He also twice served as a Michigan State assistant -- to Jud Heathcote and more recently to Tom Izzo -- before establishing his leadership skills in two years as Utah coach, leading the Utes to the NCAA tournament this season while going 24-10.

Based on his NBA pedigree and success in charge at Utah, the 43-year-old Boylen is the most likely college coach to jump to the NBA.

"He has championship experience, he's worked with superstars, he's worked with difficult players like [Cuttino] Mobley and [Steve] Francis, and he's great at developing young guys,'' a league executive said. "He's definitely somebody NBA teams are going to look at in the future.''

1. Kurt Rambis. He went 24-13 as the Lakers' interim coach during the 1999 lockout season before Phil Jackson replaced him. Now in his seventh year as Jackson's assistant, Rambis oversees L.A.'s defense. He won four rings as a self-made player for Riley in the 1980s, and another three in the front office and on the bench with Jackson.

Many assistants are worthy of becoming head coaches, but a 50-year-old with such a diversity of winning experience can't continue to be ignored.

"He isn't a networking guy,'' an executive from another team said. "He doesn't have an agent, and he's not out there promoting himself or calling guys from other teams. Maybe people take him for granted because it's all about Phil out there, or they think of him as someone who would never leave the Lakers, but he's a guy who is a very good teacher and works with players one-on-one. I think he's a guy who needs to be on the radar.''
Derrick Rose, LeBron James among award winners of NBA scouts - Ian Thomsen - SI.com
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I'd take Messina in a heart beat. He's an actual coach. Xs and Os guy. Not too different from Lawrence Frank really.

If Frank were made available, I'd easily jump on him as well.

I'm not sold on Triano whatsoever. There are too many questions to be asked right now. How does he survive all the firings of head coaches? That to me is the biggest question. If he was that great of a mind that he couldn't be fired, why was the opportunity not given earlier? I.e. Prior to Sam being hired? Why was he not made lead assistant at any point? Why do we give him a free pass with this team and say he needs more talent etc. when the same could be said for Sam? Why say he needs more time, when he's worked with the core of this team for a better part of 6 years I believe. Oh right, let's just chalk that up to injuries as well.

Anyways my choices:

1. Lawrence Frank (if available)
2. Ettore Messina
3. Eddie Jordan
4. Triano (who will likely be brought back because Colangelo is a weenie).
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whats with the X's and O's obsession
Are there any other letters that a coach uses to draw up a play?
Every coach has a strategy so saying one coach is and "X's and O's" coach and the other isn't makes no sense




I'm surprised by the number of people that voted for Triano
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X's and O's mean far less to me than being able to steer a team through a full marathon of a season, particularly for this team. X's and O's come into play more in the playoffs. Let's just get there, and gain an identity that can be relied upon in the process. If that happens, a certain amount of X's and O's will take care of themselves. In saying that I'm assuming they won't be in the Finals.
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Why are Xs and Os important to me? Because on a few occassions we've beat by them (see: November loss to New Jersey).

And I forsee this team in the playoffs, hence why I want a guy who can draw up schemes, adjust defenses etc.

But whatever...
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I really dont understand how is not that important that a COACH doesnt know a lot about tactics.
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Why are Xs and Os important to me? Because on a few occassions we've beat by them (see: November loss to New Jersey).

And I forsee this team in the playoffs, hence why I want a guy who can draw up schemes, adjust defenses etc.

But whatever...
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Bud is vastly underrated in the Spurs organization. On the championship winning defensive stand in 1999, he drew up the exact play that the Knicks ended up running during that timeout. During games, Bud has more involvement and has more say than any assistant who has come through the organization ... even back when more experienced coaches such as PJ were on the sidelines.
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For newly acquired Spurs forward Drew Gooden, practice ends at the same time every day about half an hour after the rest of his teammates have left the court.

Each workout since he's joined the team has ended with assistant coach Mike Budenholzer tutoring Gooden in the Xs and Os of the Spurs' offensive and defensive schemes, using whatever live bodies they can find to fill out a fivesome.

Throughout Gooden's first week in San Antonio, Budenholzer has become more than just his drill instructor.

He's like my best friend right now, Gooden said. I've been practicing with him more than the team. He's helped me develop the terminology and learn the plays.
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Call it a crash course in Spurs Offense 101 with your professor, Mike Budenholzer.

Budenholzer, the Spurs lead assistant, spent about half an hour after Sunday's practice running relatively new point guard Damon Stoudamire and brand-new forward Kurt Thomas through the Os and Xs of the team's offense. With Matt Bonner and team video coordinator James Borrega filling out the five, the group walked through the offense in the halfcourt, then ran a little full court.

On each possession, Stoudamire would call out a new play, and the group would hustle through the various screens and rolls. Let the record show Budenholzer sweated a bit more than his younger proteges.

By the end of the workout, Budenholzer was huffing and puffing. His pupils, meanwhile, were all smiles. Stoudamire has been with the team since Feb. 6. But with the Spurs' busy playing schedule over that time, this was his first good chance to spend some quality time immersed in the offense.

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Budenholzer arrived in San Antonio when Popovich did, in 1994, with an obvious connection. He played at Pomona-Pitzer, the California college where Popovich once coached. He became the Spurs' video coordinator, and that's a position that sounds as impressive as Executive Towel Distributor.

It is, instead, the perfect way to learn. Video coordinators break down as many as 400 games a year, splicing together tendencies and pick-and-roll options and game-ending plays.

Players, media and fans might overlook these worker bees. But Mike Brown, now the coach in Cleveland, started this way, as did Lawrence Frank, the Nets' coach.

Budenholzer held the job for two years until Dave Cowens left the Spurs, and Budenholzer moved to the bench. Then Prunty, with a tie to the former Spurs assistant, Hank Egan, got his chance. He became the assistant video coordinator.
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There's just too much of a need to construct an overall style of play, decipher which player combinations work best, and create the kind of culture where good habits predominate over bad habits.

Look at this season. Everyone wants to say that this team lacked the effort in the first couple of months after Jay took over. But I see the problem as being one where X's and O's were more of an initial concern by necessity, due to the lack of time and injury problems. And all the tactics without the other stuff being addressed really just made the efforts that were there, very ineffective. Once this team was finally able to address the big picture stuff, they could finally be effective in pulling on the same rope and executing plays half decently.

To me it's just putting the horse behind the cart to look at finding that wizard tactician. If the X's and O's are there as well as the overall management skills then great.
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Old 04-13-2009, 10:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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it's all about coach potential. in my opinion, Triano's team (in best case scenario) can reach 2nd round. Messina can win it all.
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I want Messina but I think we'll have Triano back
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i like your optimism sabas, but i have no idea how you could possibly extrapolate from half a season of triano and 0 nba coaching experience for messina that messina has so much of a higher ceiling that he couild take the same group of guys all the way to a championship while jay would never get past the 2nd round. that can't be anything more than a wild guess.
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I want Messina but I think we'll have Triano back
Cool.

What impresses you the most about Messina and what gives you the impression that Triano will be back?
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As much as i would rather have a more experienced coach, it looks as if triano is going to be the head coach next year. Lets just hope this is not yet another step backwards for this club.
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There's just too much of a need to construct an overall style of play, decipher which player combinations work best, and create the kind of culture where good habits predominate over bad habits.

Look at this season. Everyone wants to say that this team lacked the effort in the first couple of months after Jay took over. But I see the problem as being one where X's and O's were more of an initial concern by necessity, due to the lack of time and injury problems. And all the tactics without the other stuff being addressed really just made the efforts that were there, very ineffective. Once this team was finally able to address the big picture stuff, they could finally be effective in pulling on the same rope and executing plays half decently.

To me it's just putting the horse behind the cart to look at finding that wizard tactician. If the X's and O's are there as well as the overall management skills then great.
But then you have to ask yourself, is that the job of the coach primarily or the GM?

I think most of the stuff addressed should fall under the realm of the GMs responsibility and the coach as an extended arm should primarily be able to manage the egos/personalities but also have the ability to have the final say, actually implement styles etc. It should be a combination of the two and again, it's why I think Messina would be a great fit here, if not as HC then as an assistant or even a lead assistant. The prior coaching staff to me, was at its height when you had the combinatin of everything, i.e. Sam managing personalities, Gene Keady giving expert advice and Alex English and Jim Todd as calming personalties.

As for Mike Budenholzer, I think he's a great candidate, but really, I'm not as sold on him as other people.
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from what i hear about Messina - i'm fascinated.
if he's as good as advertised; sign me up.

if Lawrence Frank is available, i'd love to see him as our bench boss as well.

but realistically, when it comes down to it, i dont see us getting either of the two and i see Triano getting another shot at it.
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Cool.

What impresses you the most about Messina and what gives you the impression that Triano will be back?
I haven't watched any of his games except for when CSKA was faing the Raps but from what I have heard about him through news articles and posters from RF I think he is a really good coach.

The reason I think Triano will be back is because BC shows through intervies that he likes him. Another reason that I think Triano will be bck is because when BC was the GM of PHX and D'Antoni had a bad first year as interim coach, BC still brought him back to coach again
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Wouldn't Iavaroni make sense since he is a Colangelo guy?

I think one of the problems with TO is that we're not gritty enough -- too many finesse type players, more of a European game. I think we need to be more like an NBA team and less like a Euro one. Wouldn't a European coach just compound the problem?
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