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View Poll Results: Jose's future in T.O
He'll be back and starting next season 18 51.43%
He'll be traded or amnestied this summer (won't be back) 12 34.29%
Will be back as a backup next season 5 14.29%
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Yep. Go for Deron hard, and if he declines, continue with Jose.
So the only player that could replace Ocho is Deron Williams, nobody else could be an upgrade?
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:50 PM   #42 (permalink)
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as for nash, I really don't like that option, even though part of me would be ecstatic if we get him. it's like tanking, during games you hate when they're losing, but after an hour you hate that they won ...

the problem with nash is that he has at most 2 seasons, so he's a stop gap during which he'll tie up a ton of our cap space and compromise our draft chances next summer. He'll almost certainly get us in the playoffs, but we won't win anything in the next 2 years even if we'd get chris paul.

As far as development of other players, not sure I buy this argument. Nash could definitely increase the value of our players and will make them look better, but in terms of actual improvement, I don't see it.
Absolutely agree. Why go after a player thats about ready to retire when you have a pg, though on the backside of it, still in his prime and a consummate professional.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:53 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Absolutely agree. Why go after a player thats about ready to retire when you have a pg, though on the backside of it, still in his prime and a consummate professional.

Because Nash at 39-42yrs old >>>Jose at 32
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Calderon backing up Nash would be amazing. Wouldn't lose much of a step when he comes in (compared to other teams)
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Because Nash at 39-42yrs old >>>Jose at 32
So in your logic, you want to over pay for a player thats about to retire, that has constant back problems, plays terrible defense and plays a style completely against what Casey is teaching? Makes total sense.

And yes, Nash is better than JC but you leave the impression that JC is shit and he's not, not at all.

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Calderon backing up Nash would be amazing. Wouldn't lose much of a step when he comes in (compared to other teams)
Ugh fuck me, what a horrible idea for a rebuilding team. Nash 5 years ago maybe but now? C'mon.....
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:11 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Calderon Ain't going nowhere
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if he's here, it means we failed to replace him, which would be shitty.

if he and amir/davis are all here, it would mean we failed to use our cap space to add any marquee free agent, which would be shitty.

hopefully he's gone. if not, he'll do a wonderful job helping our almost average team achieve slightly better than average results next year, and we'll still be out of the playoffs.

jose is not the problem, but the opportunities his salary might prevent us from exploring are critical. the cap space he (or maybe amir) represents needs to be used to get some high-calibre talent, so trade/amnesty should be a priority. for that reason alone i hope he's gone. the fact that i don't trust him to make it through another 82 game campaign without going down with lengthy injuries is just fuel to the fire.

but alas he'll probably be here, and we'll probably be a 9 seed next year.
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Getting Nash would make seance in the flowing scenario to me:
Get Nash and trade Caldy for a pick, Draft Marshal who would be playing of the bench and learning from the best. JV our pick and all of the young ones would have a great experienced leader who would make every single one of them better.. after couple of seasons Nash retires, and Marshall take over the starting PG duties.
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Ugh fuck me, what a horrible idea for a rebuilding team. Nash 5 years ago maybe but now? C'mon.....
Nash makes everyone around him better. How the hell does PHX even get close to the playoffs? They have a horeshit team outside of Nash. He would instantly make this team much more competitive. He's still a top 10 PG and it seems like he never loses a step each year, so what do you mean now c'mon?There's barely any other available solid PG's out there that we have a chance at, so we would be lucky to grab Nash. Have no idea why it's a horrible idea for a rebuilding team Once we can grab an up and coming PG via FA, draft or trade I'm all for it, but I think it's too difficult this offseason. I'll take a healthy Nash for 2-3 years obviously. Who wouldn't?
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I'll take a healthy Nash for 2-3 years obviously. Who wouldn't?
As much as I know it's likely a poor idea long term for the Raps, it sure would be nice to be excited to watch this team for the first time in years.
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As much as I know it's likely a poor idea long term for the Raps, it sure would be nice to be excited to watch this team for the first time in years.
Mind explaining why? Unless we end up with a young PG filled with potential, there's no reason I believe.
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I'll take a healthy Nash for 2-3 years obviously. Who wouldn't?
I wouldn't for the simple facts are he's old, a back problem away from being done, has no defense, wouldn't fit in with Casey's system and has the ability to take a mediocre team (a la Suns) and put them in the playoffs only to lose - I'd rather suffer one more year and hit the draft than watch that for the Raps. And the biggest reason for not getting Nash is that he will be over priced (which is the most important thing cause that money can go to a FA PG or traded pg that will be here long term).

To me it is obvious, better ways to spend energy with ideas.
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if he's here, it means we failed to replace him, which would be shitty.

if he and amir/davis are all here, it would mean we failed to use our cap space to add any marquee free agent, which would be shitty.

hopefully he's gone. if not, he'll do a wonderful job helping our almost average team achieve slightly better than average results next year, and we'll still be out of the playoffs.

jose is not the problem, but the opportunities his salary might prevent us from exploring are critical. the cap space he (or maybe amir) represents needs to be used to get some high-calibre talent, so trade/amnesty should be a priority. for that reason alone i hope he's gone. the fact that i don't trust him to make it through another 82 game campaign without going down with lengthy injuries is just fuel to the fire.

but alas he'll probably be here, and we'll probably be a 9 seed next year.
Just because we have cap space doesn't mean we have to use it. It's not like we'll dictate the market. This summer there will be a lot of teams with cap space and not many quality rfas. I'd rather use the cap space to acquire young assets than overpay for fas. It's not like we can fix the team in one summer.
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Nash makes everyone around him better. How the hell does PHX even get close to the playoffs? They have a horeshit team outside of Nash. He would instantly make this team much more competitive. He's still a top 10 PG and it seems like he never loses a step each year, so what do you mean now c'mon?There's barely any other available solid PG's out there that we have a chance at, so we would be lucky to grab Nash. Have no idea why it's a horrible idea for a rebuilding team Once we can grab an up and coming PG via FA, draft or trade I'm all for it, but I think it's too difficult this offseason. I'll take a healthy Nash for 2-3 years obviously. Who wouldn't?
He does make people better, but not permanently. With Nash, we'd artificially raise our strength for two seasons, and when he's done, we'll fall down to earth and all we'll be left with is worse draft picks and absolutely no benefits.

In my mind, going after Nash is sacrificing long term success for immediate results. Why would we do that?
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Just because we have cap space doesn't mean we have to use it. It's not like we'll dictate the market. This summer there will be a lot of teams with cap space and not many quality rfas. I'd rather use the cap space to acquire young assets than overpay for fas. It's not like we can fix the team in one summer.
It'll be used, like it or not.
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It'll be used, like it or not.
I'm not so sure - although I believe the chances are good, given that both colangelo and casey are in their final year

but I don't think we'll make just any moves either.

my ideal scenario, absorb a large contract in exchange for a high draft pick ...
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