Has BC failed?
Old 03-14-2010, 03:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Has BC failed?

I know alot of people on the forum will totally agree with what I am about to write. Other people might instantly think of cursing at me about how 'dumb' I am of a person. However, this season is a F%cking flop. That's all I need to say about that.

With everything BC has done - bringing in all the new faces and presenting Jay Triano with a unit that is able to compete among the elite, this team is unable to produce on a consistent basis.

I believe what is transpiring right now is that the players are giving up on the coaching staff. I don't blame them if this is so. Jay Triano is an idiot as many of you may agree. Why the hell is this guy still starting Demar Derozan? I felt that starting Derozan for the first 30 games would be a smart decision because it significantly speeds up his development as a player. However, this late in the season (with the team also fighting to get into the playoffs) it's time for Wright to start for the team. I feel Jarret Jack deserves to be starting because without him I don't know where we would be this season, honestly.

Jose Calderon has become a laughing joke in this league. I'm sorry to be saying this to all the fans but this being my opinion should be respected. He has been a con more than he has been a pro for this team. Sadly, it's been noticed many times that if we have a lead on a team (with ofcourse JJ at the pg spot) if the lead goes away it's Jose at the pg spot.

I suppose all of this can be blamed at Jay Triano. With Sam Mitchell, players were beyond regularly pushed to perform at a high level. This was the time where Jose Calderon was spoken about as a all-star caliber point guard. Sam Mitchell brought the best out of every player he had.

With all of this said and how poorly the team is performing, I am expecting the team to finish with a record of 43-39 and to be eliminated in the first round 4-0. As this is my opinion, I expect people to respect it.

Without a doubt, Bosh will bolt Toronto. I fully respect his decision to leave Toronto as well. He deserves only the best and he should go and do what he wishes.

Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon will be packaged in a trade.

Jay Triano will be dismissed and we'll likely hire Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson or another coach among that status.
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Old 03-14-2010, 03:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Waive Turk.
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Old 03-14-2010, 03:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 03-14-2010, 03:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Turk signing was unwanted
AJ is just going to be like Smitch, he's not the great savior everyone makes him out to be
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:02 AM   #5 (permalink)
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agree with everything you say... honestly, all I really give a shit about is Chris staying. If he leaves we're obviously rebuilding and the days of being under achievers and mediocre are gone, we'll be just plain old shitty.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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its not because andrea because andrea is a good solid young player in the league

its because of trades for J.O, and signing like Kapono and Turkoglu

plus 12 million on two shitty point guards, jose is to passive, and Jack is way to selfish, he neglects better scorerrs for himself

if jose and jack some how get traded in the off season with turk gone them he'll redeem himself in my eyes, but until that happens all faith is lost

and I'm the guy who always said in BC we trust
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Old 03-14-2010, 06:21 AM   #7 (permalink)
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its not because andrea because andrea is a good solid young player in the league

its because of trades for J.O, and signing like Kapono and Turkoglu

plus 12 million on two shitty point guards, jose is to passive, and Jack is way to selfish, he neglects better scorerrs for himself

if jose and jack some how get traded in the off season with turk gone them he'll redeem himself in my eyes, but until that happens all faith is lost

and I'm the guy who always said in BC we trust
jarett jack is to selfish? wow...
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:02 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
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BC has increased the overall talent level and the number of tradable assets on this team. They are still better than last season. There is still a chance to make this team more complete. He is going to have to look at the coaching and the commitment to defense, and he's going to have to look at his own priorities as well. But this team can continue to improve, and Bosh leaving is hardly a certainty.
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:51 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well I dont think the off-season can be called totally shitty considering we are still at playoff spot and just week ago were fifth in east. Compare that to last season when we were basicly out of playoff picture by this time. Im not saying all the moves were great (cough, Hedo, cough), but Triano had very little to work with and got us improved parts on many spots. Do you remember how bad our bench was last year?

Last year our PG tandem was Calderon-Ukic. Now we have Calderon-Jack. I think thats improvement. I also think Amir, Weems, Reggie and Co is certainly better than what we had last year. Our starting lineup isnt that much better and Hedo signing might come to haunt use salarywise during next four years, but overall we have a better team right now.

If you were thinking we will have a contender team this year after sucking so much last year and not really having many trade assests or caproom, then you must be one hell of an optimist. We have improved so BC hasnt totally screwed up. He hasnt been a exacutive of the year either and he has made mistakes for sure (Triano was a mistake, Hedo's contract looks like a mistake), but he has also made some very nice moves (Amir-Weems for Roko and rights for Delfino).

So I wouldnt crusify him even if we arent winning a playoff round this season.
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:54 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Lx, you know Bosh won't signup for a team that has a small window to become a better team next year.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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This team is shit, there go the playoffs
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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BC has not failed.

-Getting Hedo was genarally a good idea at the time imo. Hedo has been horrible, that's on him all the way.

-BC upgraded the talent on this team accross the board and even his "smaller" deals were upgrades.

-Two to three weeks ago people were praising Colangelo for getting Amir, Jack, Evans, Wright, Weems, Derozan, Beli and how great we looked. Now the sky is falling, he's failed and the world is coming to an end.

- His only mistake and it's a pretty big one, was retaining Jay Triano who has shown to be very rigid as a coach, a pussy, stuborn, not a good communicator and imo these players don't respect his overall approach.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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BC fucked up so enormously huge.

Let me take you back to the year before BC and Toronto were ever mentioned in the same sentence together.

We had a young budding star and a young charismatic coach who were inspiring Raptor fans with EFFORT!, and COMMITMENT! After a long drought of having to watch Carter make love to the floor, and Jalen amazingly go through 48 minutes of NBA action without sweating. In perhaps the weakest conference in the history of NBA, they were a SHOE-IN to make the playoffs the next year.

In comes BC. He makes some good moves but he gets all the credit since most simple and casual fans look at the record improvement and everybody loves the golden boy. I loved Garbo and company as well that year, but Bosh and Mitchell were getting the 5 or 6 seed regarldess of who was surrounding them.

Now look at Atlanta? Look at Orlando. Look at Boston. Look at Cleveland. They all have athletes at every position, who are AGGRESIVE, and who DEFEND. EVERY POSITION ON THE COURT! CAPABLE DEFENDERS! PLAYERS WHO REBOUND! PLAYERS WHO ARE AWARE OF THE DEFENSIVE SITUATION, AND WIN GAMES ON THAT END OF THE COURT!


Here is a key point. That team surrounding Bosh was extremely confident against the likes of Atlanta and Orlando and Cleveland. Detroit had our number, they were on another level. But when we went up against the other teams, we played like we could win. From what I remember, we were better than Orlando and Atlanta.


Not anymore.

What happened??

BC has a rare find in CB4, a young superstar groomed by the same man who groomed KG, incredible work ethic, and relatively humble. Toronto was easily the 5th to 8th best team in the East.

Did BC surround him with the type of players that were currently winning basketball games in the NBA??

I don't think so. BC has been sticking to his vision of 8foot europeans crossing people over playing Vlade and Peja together.

He had an opportunity to mould a team in the same character as Mitchell and Bosh, and he didn't. He refused to. He came to this team with Europe in his head, and he stuck with it, and it was the WRONG decision.

BC came to this team, and he killed internal competition the day he interfered in the coach-team relationship by forcing Mitchell's hand in playing Andrea. Internal competition has been absent ever since.


Squandered opportunities.

So now he drafts Derozan, he picks up Wright. He's in limbo now. Who knows what direction he's going now? The coach doesn't seem to know...but the coach doesn't seem to know anything. Oh yeah, he's well liked, people like him. That's why BC fired the old guy and hired him. He liked him more. He likes Hedo to.



He needs to be fired. HE HAS FAILED BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He had an easy job, and he messed it up!!! All he had to do was surround Bosh with athletic defenders, and let them sort themselves out by beating eachother up in practice. Overtime the right players will stick. Everybody who we were on par with got better, and we've become hard to watch. We're starting to look like we did pre-Mitchell. Except Jalen had 100x more talent than Hedo. Although Ill give Hedo some credit because he does run at times.

There isn't a better measuring stick than the complete lack of improvement from thsi team.

The winning culture that Mitchell and Bosh established, for a year and a half, is GONE!

BC SUCKS.

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Reassign Triano to player development or something similar.

Trade Turk. It's still early and he can blame Toronto for not using him correctly. There's a team out there that might believe this, particularly if Triano is somehow relieved of his duties.
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- His only mistake and it's a pretty big one, was retaining Jay Triano who has shown to be very rigid as a coach, a pussy, stuborn, not a good communicator and imo these players don't respect his overall approach.
I think so, unfortunately Triano is a big mistake.
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Sadly, it's been noticed many times that if we have a lead on a team (with ofcourse JJ at the pg spot) if the lead goes away it's Jose at the pg spot.
We've seen just as many times if not more the 2nd unit dig us out of hole. So I think while this technically may be true, it's almost a misrepresentation nonetheless. Imo both pg's are poor, or at least inconsistent.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:28 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I know alot of people on the forum will totally agree with what I am about to write. Other people might instantly think of cursing at me about how 'dumb' I am of a person. However, this season is a F%cking flop. That's all I need to say about that.

With everything BC has done - bringing in all the new faces and presenting Jay Triano with a unit that is able to compete among the elite, this team is unable to produce on a consistent basis.

I believe what is transpiring right now is that the players are giving up on the coaching staff. I don't blame them if this is so. Jay Triano is an idiot as many of you may agree. Why the hell is this guy still starting Demar Derozan? I felt that starting Derozan for the first 30 games would be a smart decision because it significantly speeds up his development as a player. However, this late in the season (with the team also fighting to get into the playoffs) it's time for Wright to start for the team. I feel Jarret Jack deserves to be starting because without him I don't know where we would be this season, honestly.

Jose Calderon has become a laughing joke in this league. I'm sorry to be saying this to all the fans but this being my opinion should be respected. He has been a con more than he has been a pro for this team. Sadly, it's been noticed many times that if we have a lead on a team (with ofcourse JJ at the pg spot) if the lead goes away it's Jose at the pg spot.

I suppose all of this can be blamed at Jay Triano. With Sam Mitchell, players were beyond regularly pushed to perform at a high level. This was the time where Jose Calderon was spoken about as a all-star caliber point guard. Sam Mitchell brought the best out of every player he had.

With all of this said and how poorly the team is performing, I am expecting the team to finish with a record of 43-39 and to be eliminated in the first round 4-0. As this is my opinion, I expect people to respect it.

Without a doubt, Bosh will bolt Toronto. I fully respect his decision to leave Toronto as well. He deserves only the best and he should go and do what he wishes.

Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon will be packaged in a trade.

Jay Triano will be dismissed and we'll likely hire Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson or another coach among that status.
Jose a laughing stock.????...i am laughing at this post where would this team without the second unit bailing the starters every night....do your home work before you spout off. You have a leak so call the plummer to fix it.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:40 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I'd agree with PB when he says this team is built wrong. I'd disagree on the subtle point that Euros (read: whites) are not athletic or can't defend, although statistically and as a race, I'd agree on the first one. Defend they do, and pretty well, under the right coach, it's just that OURS don't.

This team is, quite simply, built the wrong way. There is too much emphasis on offence and not enough on defence. We are pretty good at 1, 4 and 5 - yes, PGs could be better, but if you look at Jose, Jack, Bosh, Bargs and Amir, that's a real quality rotation at the key positions. Unfortunately, with Hedo not panning out so far, the traditional positions of strength in this leagues, the wings, are our positions of weakness, at both ends of the floor - and that's what's killing this team on most nights. Sorry if I am re-stating the obvious.

So, does it make sense to fire BC? Not really, not unless MLSE has a better candidate, especially not if he realizes the error of his ways and repents. If he does and the new direction is supported by the ownership, I'd use Bosh's sign-and-trade this summer to start gutting the roster and building through the draft the right way, like Atlanta, Oklahoma, Memphis, Portland have done recently. Considering the looming lockout and some serious changes in the future CBA, this might also make a lot of sense from the business standpoint.
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