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Old 05-11-2014, 07:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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My bet is that Lowry stays for about 10-12 and Vasquez - for about 4. Both 3 year deals with the team option for the fourth year.
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My bet is that Lowry stays for about 10-12 and Vasquez - for about 4. Both 3 year deals with the team option for the fourth year.
I know he wants to stay, but if for example Lowry got 12 and he got 4, I think his agent would have to tell him that's not so much a slap in the face but a reason to seriously look elsewhere. Yes, he could start somewhere else, and if he's considered for example the 7th man in the rotation, it might be hard to swallow a new contract for 4 mil. Especially with guys like Hayes and Fields sitting there waving towels.

If that scenario happens, this guy really, really loves Toronto.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:38 PM   #23 (permalink)
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We have to see what the market does, but I cant imaging him giving us a 2 mill a year discount because he likes Toronto. Remember, 2 millions in a small contract is about 35% of the salary (going from lets say 6 mill/ year to 4 mill/year). You also have to consider that this is likely to be the best contract he will sign in his carrier. The only way I can see him signing for less than 5 millions with us, is if we give him more years, lets say 4.5/year for 5 years. Other than that, he would be loosing too much.
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Old 05-11-2014, 08:48 PM   #24 (permalink)
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1st year 4.5, then 5, 6, 7 over 4 years probabaly. Would like it to be less.

Doesn't make sense to compare himself to Fields or Hayes. If that was the case every player could compare themself to Boozer.

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1st year 4.5, then 5, 6, 7 over 4 years probabaly. Would like it to be less.

Doesn't make sense to compare himself to Fields or Hayes. If that was the case every player could compare themself to Boozer.
I'd love to get Boozer off of the amnesty for cheap.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:06 PM   #26 (permalink)
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1st year 4.5, then 5, 6, 7 over 4 years probabaly. Would like it to be less.

Doesn't make sense to compare himself to Fields or Hayes. If that was the case every player could compare themself to Boozer.
That's only one part of the issue.
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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[quote=JoeyJoJo Shabbadu;897065]1st year 4.5, then 5, 6, 7 over 4 years probabaly. Would like it to be less.

He would take that on a heart bit( 5.6/y average). I think that 4.5, 5, 5.5 and 6 (5.25 average over 4 years) would do it. and would save us half a mill in year 3 and 1 mill in year 4
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:38 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I know he wants to stay, but if for example Lowry got 12 and he got 4, I think his agent would have to tell him that's not so much a slap in the face but a reason to seriously look elsewhere. Yes, he could start somewhere else, and if he's considered for example the 7th man in the rotation, it might be hard to swallow a new contract for 4 mil. Especially with guys like Hayes and Fields sitting there waving towels.

If that scenario happens, this guy really, really loves Toronto.
woah,
he's hyper and erratic with the ball in set plays, and his helter skelter defense was forgivable due to good open court play.
He needs to work on his shot.1 for 3 or 4 on 3's ain't worth over student wages, 4 mil/3yrs is his value.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:31 AM   #29 (permalink)
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woah,
he's hyper and erratic with the ball in set plays, and his helter skelter defense was forgivable due to good open court play.
He needs to work on his shot.1 for 3 or 4 on 3's ain't worth over student wages, 4 mil/3yrs is his value.
I doubt it. Like Jeffb said, he might fetch a Calderon type of deal. This is his second contract and he might even get to be a starter somehere else. If that's the case no way he settles on 4 mil/ yr.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:25 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I doubt it. Like Jeffb said, he might fetch a Calderon type of deal. This is his second contract and he might even get to be a starter somehere else. If that's the case no way he settles on 4 mil/ yr.
with the PG talent in the NBA currently, you seriously think vasquez would get a starting gig and hence salary somewhere? Especially with his defence?
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:51 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I think it all depends on what Lowry nets. I don't understand how the cap works, but I see a balance that can be worked out to sign both. This is the first time in years we have an effective point guard combo as opposed to a controversy.
I am also not a capspert, but I see novak and fields barely playing...wasted money, can't we like waive them, er trade them to some tankjob team, just saying we should make it a priority to bring back both pgs....I'd rather we over pay GV than some 12th man
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Hey, if he puts his money where his mouth is and takes less to stay here, it solves plenty for us for the bigger free agent season for us to follow this one. His sacrifice is not just starting, it's future earnings from being a starter, playing more minutes and proving himself. He can forget about 34 minutes putting up 14 points, 9 assists like he did in NOH. And to think the Knicks were trying to run out Ray Felton last year.
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For all those suggesting backloaded salaries for Vasquez, you are violating the raise rules. 7.5% raises on a starting salary of 4.5M means a max raise per year of 0.3M.

So the most you can offer starting from 4.5M is 4.5, 4.8, 5.2, 5.5, for a total of about 20M over 4 years. There's no such thing as a 4.5M starting salary ramping up to 7M later on.

I think the best chance to re-sign him is to offer a 5 year contract (no one else can) and give him an average annual value around 5.5M, to offset any 6M annual contract for 4 years he might get offered. I'd valley in 2015 (when we need cap space) and offer something like this:

5.34M, 4.94M, 5.34M, 5.74M, 6.14M -> total 27.5M over 5 years.
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I am also not a capspert, but I see novak and fields barely playing...wasted money, can't we like waive them, er trade them to some tankjob team, just saying we should make it a priority to bring back both pgs....I'd rather we over pay GV than some 12th man
Novak and Fields do not impact our ability to sign Vasquez. We have his Bird Rights. So the concern with his signing is how it impacts future cap space. And Hayes and Fields expire this year so there's zero reason to move them (probably at cost of assets like picks) as they will be no concern next summer when we need cap space. Moving Novak for an expiring would be a good move, since he expires a year later, but you'd need to find a team that would actually want him, since I'd hate to see assets/picks moved out just to save 3M in cap space.
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I doubt it. Like Jeffb said, he might fetch a Calderon type of deal. This is his second contract and he might even get to be a starter somehere else. If that's the case no way he settles on 4 mil/ yr.
Not a lot of demand for PG's this summer. And not all that much in way of cap space for teams that need a PG. I'd peg the MLE as the biggest offer he would get.

5.3M, 5.5M, 5.8M, 6.0M. 22.7M over 4 years. That's the most he'll probably see from serious suitors.

I agree he won't sign for 4M annual. Closer to 5 or 5.5. But that would be good as well, he'd be playing a 6th man role, and well worth an MLE level contract.
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I like Lowry alot for this team,giving him 5 years or more than 40 mil or 11M+ on avg. Would be a mistake imo. The facts are he's had a history of issues/concerns and just 1 all star caliber season(in a contract year). Still young enough but Idk,I think rewarding him with a 4/48 type contract is grossly overpaying for him. He made just over 6M last year,as great as his performance was i don't think it's worth doubling his 2013/14 salary,just my honest opinion. I think if they keep GV for 5-7M per on avg,plus draft a PG(which I think is a 50/50 chance Ennis or Napier would be on the board at #20),that would be wiser. Vasquez is good,plays with passion and has learned enough playing behind Lowry to take the reign at starting PG if Kyle doesn't return.
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I like Lowry alot for this team,giving him 5 years or more than 40 mil or 11M+ on avg. Would be a mistake imo. The facts are he's had a history of issues/concerns and just 1 all star caliber season(in a contract year). Still young enough but Idk,I think rewarding him with a 4/48 type contract is grossly overpaying for him. He made just over 6M last year,as great as his performance was i don't think it's worth doubling his 2013/14 salary,just my honest opinion. I think if they keep GV for 5-7M per on avg,plus draft a PG(which I think is a 50/50 chance Ennis or Napier would be on the board at #20),that would be wiser. Vasquez is good,plays with passion and has learned enough playing behind Lowry to take the reign at starting PG if Kyle doesn't return.
I share this opinion. But the league and the history of free agents does not.
I am hoping for 3 yrs $30ish with a 4th year team option. Wont happen. He will get 5 yrs $60 ish or 3 yrs $40 ish.
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I would try and match his contract with Demars. $9.5MM a year for three years with a 4th team option.
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I would try and match his contract with Demars. $9.5MM a year for three years with a 4th team option.
I would too, are you referring to the structure or the structure and amount?
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Not a lot of demand for PG's this summer. And not all that much in way of cap space for teams that need a PG. I'd peg the MLE as the biggest offer he would get.

5.3M, 5.5M, 5.8M, 6.0M. 22.7M over 4 years. That's the most he'll probably see from serious suitors.

I agree he won't sign for 4M annual. Closer to 5 or 5.5. But that would be good as well, he'd be playing a 6th man role, and well worth an MLE level contract.
Not to be picky, but there's a ton of demand for a backup point guard like GV.
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