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Old 10-25-2013, 02:13 AM   #61 (permalink)
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What about the other GM's? He was projected to go number at one point, then before the draft he was supposed to go top 5. He barely stayed in the top 10. You think there isn't a reason(s) for that? I really wonder why everyone soured on him.
what I heard was that his interviews were really poor and reinforced the image of a lazy, uninterested guy who probably doesn't really like bball. The kind of guy GMs run away from.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:19 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I'm not saying he has a poor draft history, I'm saying he was just a moron more often than not when it came to basketball moves.

Id just like to think any self respecting GM of a growing team would pick the guy who fell 8 spots onto his lap, especially when said player is a freak of nature at a position that is weak across the league.
meh, if the team is so bad, why are so many on this forum so against tanking and think that with a few tweaks we can go far? ...

BC wasn't great, but he wasn't that bad and among the things he did pretty well was drafting, all his 1st round picks in toronto turned out pretty good players who are either starters, or will be soon (davis and ross). Demar, Bargnani and JV were all pretty good picks for where they were drafted (sure, Bargnani underachieved and had injury issues lately, but he's still probably a top 5-6 pick in his draft). Considering many the guys drafted just after him in the top 10 (outside gay, roy and aldridge they are all major stiffs), it wasn't THAT bad.

and looking back at his phoenix years, he drafted nash, stoudemire and marion with late lottery picks as well - quite an impressive record.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:12 AM   #63 (permalink)
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meh, if the team is so bad, why are so many on this forum so against tanking and think that with a few tweaks we can go far? ...
Because he thought it would be a good idea to give up all cap space and hand out big contracts to players that are decent but not deserving of their contracts (see Fields, Landry).

It's not hard for GMs to get a team that could compete for 8th if you decide money is not an object, unfortunately for BC, with the salary cap it always is in the NBA.
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I cannot and will not understand not picking Drummond, but i see no point in obsessing about it. The frontline can still be very good here. And if Ross can be a stopper on the perimeter to any extent, then he might turn out to be the better pick in the long run. Everybody dreams of having a ton of size, but length at every position, and speed, and an anchor inside is where the damage gets done in this league now.

And this isn't so much of a mess of a team. The last few years - oh yeah - a complete mumble jumble. We've finally come out of that mess and can look to capitalize on gaining a team identity of some sort. I'm still pissed about the Landry deal, but he might just have some value this year, or so i hope.

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Old 10-25-2013, 01:16 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I cannot and will not understand not picking Drummond, but i see no point in obsessing about it. The frontline can still be very good here. And if Ross can be a stopper on the perimeter to any extent, then he might turn out to be the better pick in the long run. Everybody dreams of having a ton of size, but length at every position, and speed, and an anchor inside is where the damage gets done in this league now.

And this isn't so much of a mess of a team. The last few years - oh yeah - a complete mumble jumble. We've finally come out of that mess and can look to capitalize on gaining a team identity of some sort. I'm still pissed about the Landry deal, but he might just have some value this year, or so i hope.
The reason why it is obsessed is because instead of having a very good frontline it could have been a great frontline.

Given their performances so far and their team's depth or lack there of at certain positions, it is hard to see TR being the better pick. Low chance of it happening.

LF has more value simply because one year of that contract has gone.
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Theres no value in 14 million over 2 years for a 10th man. And Ross will never be seen as a better pick than Drummond. Its sad, but it is what it is.

I really believe that Drummond and JV could have worked too. Drummond being the defensive anchor, and JV being the offensive anchor, with both capable of defending screen roll. It would have been a joy to watch the domination. But thus is Raptor fandom.
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Old 10-25-2013, 01:58 PM   #67 (permalink)
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dude, in hindsight is obvious, but remember, AD had a HORRIBLE college season, he had something like 3ppg. I have no idea how scouts misjudged him so much, but you just can't pinpoint this on BC, 7 other GMs bypassed him and nobody tried too hard to move ahead to get him either. If MU or anybody else did foresee how good he was, why didn't they move up, I bet BC would have taken galinari or even chandler and their pick for our #8. Every GM was afraid of Drummond who was pegged to be just another thabeet kind of a guy, extremely raw and most likely future bust.
Just for the record he never had such a season.

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Just for the record he never had such a season.

Andre Drummond Stats - Connecticut Huskies - College Basketball
Yeah, the scouts should have realized that Drummond's play, which wasn't even THAT bad, was a result of a mess of a UCONN team.
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The reason why it is obsessed is because instead of having a very good frontline it could have been a great frontline.

Given their performances so far and their team's depth or lack there of at certain positions, it is hard to see TR being the better pick. Low chance of it happening.

LF has more value simply because one year of that contract has gone.
My point is that a great frontline can be a bit superfluous in this league now. The perimeter is where defense and scoring can have a greater impact. Now maybe Memphis is changing that equation a little bit (if they don't trade Randolph), but right now there is a chance that Ross could end up having a greater impact on this team. You don't need a Drummond to add depth, and ultimately the cost of such a frontline would be problematic. I think Drummond as an individual will be a greater impact player, although the free throws do bother me quite a bit. But that doesn't mean that Ross could end up being a better fit here.
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Yeah, the scouts should have realized that Drummond's play, which wasn't even THAT bad, was a result of a mess of a UCONN team.
Big men are hard to find. I remember scouts were saying that he is not motivated and doesn't have high motor I don't know, so far he looks very solid, although his free throw % needs to go up so he could stay on the court late in the game.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:27 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Ross at #4 in the top 10 plays of the month video

Demar at #5 in the top 10 dunks video
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:54 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:04 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Pretty ironic that BC started his tenure in T.O. by taking a big man we didn't need (Bargs).... and then ended it by PASSING on a big man we did (AD).

So long Bryan.... you won't be missed.
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Old 10-27-2013, 02:18 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Just for the record he never had such a season.

Andre Drummond Stats - Connecticut Huskies - College Basketball
Ouch 29% from the free throw line. But definitely not 3 ppg. In reality, many freshmans who enter the league after one year in college have similar statlines. I think Bosh was like 14, 7, 2, and 1 blk, and he turned out quite solid. Not jumping on the Drummond bandwagon, but I don't think it was just his stats that turned gm's off. I believe there questions about his attitude and work ethic as well.
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