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Old 10-23-2013, 08:54 PM   #41 (permalink)
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This must be your first season watching the Raptors then. DeRozan always plays good in the pre-season, he plays good when it doesn't matter. Watch the first couple months and then see him drop off.
Vito. This makes absolutely no sense. There is so much contrary evidence that it isn't funny. If Demar has done anything over the years, going back to college, it's starting slow and playing quite a bit better after the AS break or thereabouts. I guess if you are suggesting that his play drops off from preseason games that often offer little competition, and then willfully ignore the drastic improvements that come after the drop-offs, and make it all about the struggles as he tries to expand his game, rather than the clear expansion of his game from year to year, then you are so correct.

This must be the fourth season you continued to assess DD according to the same old first impressions.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:30 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It would be nice if TR had people holding his hands along the way though like DD has had.
Ross may not have been handed a starting job the way that DD was but he's had every opportunity to carve out a role for himself (6th man?) here.... he just hasn't stepped up so far.

I hope that he does turn it around... because at least that would make me feel a BIT better about us passing on Drummond. *cries*
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speaking of hard to watch..... is that floor at ACC going to be permanent? it is really ugly.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:30 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I hope that he does turn it around... because at least that would make me feel a BIT better about us passing on Drummond. *cries*
I hate to say it but I am pretty impressed with Drummond. Wow He just put 11 and 20 against MIN.

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Old 10-24-2013, 10:02 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Drummond has 11/20 right now...sickening to think we could have a AD/JV frontcourt for the next 10-15 years. But all you need to do is look at who drafted him (Colangelo) and you see why he wasn't drafted. I Bet a smart GM like Ujiri doesn't pass on a guy who half a year earlier was the consensus number 1 pick.

But then again, if we did draft him, he'd be in the same category with las Greg Oden right now. That's our luck.
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Josh Smith game winning three. Andre Drummond double double with 20 boards.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:09 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Drummond has 11/20 right now...sickening to think we could have a AD/JV frontcourt for the next 10-15 years. But all you need to do is look at who drafted him (Colangelo) and you see why he wasn't drafted.
yeah, because BC has such a poor drafting history.
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Drummond has 11/20 right now...sickening to think we could have a AD/JV frontcourt for the next 10-15 years. But all you need to do is look at who drafted him (Colangelo) and you see why he wasn't drafted. I Bet a smart GM like Ujiri doesn't pass on a guy who half a year earlier was the consensus number 1 pick.

But then again, if we did draft him, he'd be in the same category with las Greg Oden right now. That's our luck.
Of all the teams that passed on AD, we probably had the most reasons to do it - our frontcourt was loaded with JV/AB/David and Amir. Given all the question marks about AD, I don't think many GMs would have drafted AD in BC's place. And I've been very upset about this since day one, and especialyl after I first saw AD in the pre-season where I was very impressed by his game.

that being said, AD will HAUNT us and I'm almost 100% it will be remember 5-6 years from now as BC's greatest mistake.
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I'm not saying he has a poor draft history, I'm saying he was just a moron more often than not when it came to basketball moves.

Id just like to think any self respecting GM of a growing team would pick the guy who fell 8 spots onto his lap, especially when said player is a freak of nature at a position that is weak across the league.
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I'm not saying he has a poor draft history, I'm saying he was just a moron more often than not when it came to basketball moves.

Id just like to think any self respecting GM of a growing team would pick the guy who fell 8 spots onto his lap, especially when said player is a freak of nature at a position that is weak across the league.
But you're insulting him for the one thing he did well. It's not a good point.
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Out of those 4 guys you listed MM, Drummond is probably going to have a better year than 3 of the 4 this year, and you could argue against JV beating him out.

8 point, 7 some odd rebound, almost 2 blocks in only 20 mpg last year?? Unreal.
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Of all the teams that passed on AD, we probably had the most reasons to do it - our frontcourt was loaded with JV/AB/David and Amir. Given all the question marks about AD, I don't think many GMs would have drafted AD in BC's place. And I've been very upset about this since day one, and especialyl after I first saw AD in the pre-season where I was very impressed by his game.

that being said, AD will HAUNT us and I'm almost 100% it will be remember 5-6 years from now as BC's greatest mistake.
Deals can be made. Another example of BC's idiocy. Imagine JV/Drummond/Amir. That would be amazing. Other GMs aren't BC and wouldn't be attached to their players.
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But you're insulting him for the one thing he did well. It's not a good point.
It's a fine point as far as I can see. All Im saying is Bryan made some bone head moves in his tenure, and all I'm saying is that it's no surprise that he made one here.
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Out of those 4 guys you listed MM, Drummond is probably going to have a better year than 3 of the 4 this year, and you could argue against JV beating him out.

8 point, 7 some odd rebound, almost 2 blocks in only 20 mpg last year?? Unreal.
dude, in hindsight is obvious, but remember, AD had a HORRIBLE college season, he had something like 3ppg. I have no idea how scouts misjudged him so much, but you just can't pinpoint this on BC, 7 other GMs bypassed him and nobody tried too hard to move ahead to get him either. If MU or anybody else did foresee how good he was, why didn't they move up, I bet BC would have taken galinari or even chandler and their pick for our #8. Every GM was afraid of Drummond who was pegged to be just another thabeet kind of a guy, extremely raw and most likely future bust.
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Ross may not have been handed a starting job the way that DD was but he's had every opportunity to carve out a role for himself (6th man?) here.... he just hasn't stepped up so far.

I hope that he does turn it around... because at least that would make me feel a BIT better about us passing on Drummond. *cries*
You don't say. Yes he has had that opportunity but there were factors like his coach's preference for vets, the LF signing, new coming into the league and the fact that he him and DD play the same position. But, yes, I do think scouting did a poor job. He was supposed to be NBA-ready. Which he was not.

MU stockpiling picks and other assets would make me feel somewhat better about BC (not us) passing out on Drummond. Thank BC and Bargs for that feeling that we could have had the best young big duo in the NBA.
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dude, in hindsight is obvious, but remember, AD had a HORRIBLE college season, he had something like 3ppg. I have no idea how scouts misjudged him so much, but you just can't pinpoint this on BC, 7 other GMs bypassed him and nobody tried too hard to move ahead to get him either. If MU or anybody else did foresee how good he was, why didn't they move up, I bet BC would have taken galinari or even chandler and their pick for our #8. Every GM was afraid of Drummond who was pegged to be just another thabeet kind of a guy, extremely raw and most likely future bust.
PPG is not the only thing that matters in basketball.
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He had 10ppg at UConn btw.

But, yeah I do see it both ways. I understand hindsight and crap like that, but I guess I just hate BC for getting us into this weird mess of a team and this gives me another reason to vent.
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It's a fine point as far as I can see. All Im saying is Bryan made some bone head moves in his tenure, and all I'm saying is that it's no surprise that he made one here.
What about the other GM's? He was projected to go number at one point, then before the draft he was supposed to go top 5. He barely stayed in the top 10. You think there isn't a reason(s) for that? I really wonder why everyone soured on him.
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He had 10ppg at UConn btw.

But, yeah I do see it both ways. I understand hindsight and crap like that, but I guess I just hate BC for getting us into this weird mess of a team and this gives me another reason to vent.
It's not hindsight. I remember many people thought that if the raps didn't want AD they could've dealt him for their guy and an extra asset or something. TR was a bit of a reach at 8 but they got their man.
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It's not hindsight. I remember many people thought that if the raps didn't want AD they could've dealt him for their guy and an extra asset or something. TR was a bit of a reach at 8 but they got their man.
yeah, but that was obvious, wasn't it. The fact that didn't happen it's pretty clear proof that there was no real interest, at least not in the next few spots. Especially that ross was projected to go late lottery, so it's not like we were afraid to lose him.
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