Granger - What Could Have Been
Old 01-17-2009, 12:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I know, I know ... what's the point in dwelling on something we can't change now, but how good would Granger of looked instead of Joey?

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The Raptors weren't the only team to overlook Danny Granger, who entered last night as the NBA's fourth-leading scorer.

Granger had the world-class athleticism and the necessary length to play on the game's biggest stage, but a troublesome knee raised red flags.

As a result, Granger fell to Indiana at the 17th slot in 2005, one pick after Toronto selected Joey Graham.

Raptors interim head coach Jay Triano helped work out Granger in Toronto when the small forward began to audition for NBA teams in the weeks leading up to the draft.

"He's playing with a lot of confidence,'' Triano said of Granger. "He's doing it all."

Jermaine O'Neal is well aware of Granger's talents.

Granger visited O'Neal at O'Neal's off-season home in Las Vegas and the former Pacers teammates have spoken on the phone a few times this season.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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he would have been good here. I still like joey though
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yup, he would fit here alright
He can chuck his heart out, here.... Oh wait.... He does this to Indiana too

Would we really want another chucker in our team? common he needs 20 shots to get 20 points.
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he would have been good here. I still like joey though
Better than Granger though?
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he would have been good here. I still like joey though
I like Joey too but Granger is a stud!
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Don't get me started. I was sure the Raps were going to get him, we were all going to be happy.

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Old 01-17-2009, 12:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i wanted granger so bad that draft.2 things detered the stupid raps brass.1,hes a jehoovah witness and 2,his knees.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i wanted granger so bad that draft.2 things detered the stupid raps brass.1,hes a jehoovah witness and 2,his knees.
Just curious Quad, but how did him being a jehovah's witness have anything to do with it? I knew about the knees, but can you elaborate about your other point?
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't like granger at all - he's an iverson type of player in my eyes - a scorer who does little for his team and teammates. He takes a lot of (bad) shots and doesn't defend well.
In Indiana he's the man, but Indiana will never be any good as long as he's the man, and I'm wondering how good would Granger be as the second best player, where he can't take any shot he wants and has to play defense .
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I don't like granger at all - he's an iverson type of player in my eyes - a scorer who does little for his team and teammates. He takes a lot of (bad) shots and doesn't defend well.
In Indiana he's the man, but Indiana will never be any good as long as he's the man, and I'm wondering how good would Granger be as the second best player, where he can't take any shot he wants and has to play defense .
boooooooooooooooooooo

You saying you wouldn't want him here? He's a big upgrade over Moon/Graham
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I don't like granger at all - he's an iverson type of player in my eyes - a scorer who does little for his team and teammates. He takes a lot of (bad) shots and doesn't defend well.
In Indiana he's the man, but Indiana will never be any good as long as he's the man, and I'm wondering how good would Granger be as the second best player, where he can't take any shot he wants and has to play defense .
Well if scoring 26 a game, getting 5 boards and dishing at least 3 dimes per game is doing very little for his team i wonder what your opinion of doing a lot is. His defence isn't bad and it will only improve because he has years to grow. Plus at least Granger cares about his team and his teammates and that was proven when he shoved CB4 to backup his teammate.
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Just curious Quad, but how did him being a jehovah's witness have anything to do with it? I knew about the knees, but can you elaborate about your other point?
my buddy is a gymnast and used to be the coach/trainer for the raptor,he remained friends with some people in and around the raps and the thinking was that toronto just wouldnt be the type of place for granger,the city or the lockeroom....seems stupid,but.who knows...all i know is that it was between green,granger and graham and everybody i knew was certain it would be granger.
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wanted Granger so badly in the draft in 2005. First with our first pick (which ended up being pretty solid with Charlie V - no complaints), and especially with our second pick. When we picked Graham, my heart sank.

After watching Granger this season, I can definitely conclude that so far he is a chucker. He's a very high volume shooter on a very mediocre team, so judging his overall talent is tough.

With that said, though, he's a very talented player and scorer. Yes he's chucking, but he's also shooting a better percentage than Bargnani right now, and dropping 26 points a night. I'd love to have him on our team, and he'd make us way better. While not the best defender, he's still crafty, and gets double digits blocks and steals a night, meaning he's still active. He's another guy like Bosh who plays above his talent level.

Graham is OK, but Granger is MUCH better.
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Come one Grange, if you want to do a "what could have been", at least pick the best players passed on. We could have walked away from that draft with Bynum and Ellis. Or really go for the "what could have been" and suggest we would have been able to trade up for Portland's #3rd (they traded #3 for Utah's #6 and some late pick; we could have given them #7+#16) and drafted Chris Paul.
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I say the same thing every day: what if... Granger.
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Come one Grange, if you want to do a "what could have been", at least pick the best players passed on. We could have walked away from that draft with Bynum and Ellis. Or really go for the "what could have been" and suggest we would have been able to trade up for Portland's #3rd (they traded #3 for Utah's #6 and some late pick; we could have given them #7+#16) and drafted Chris Paul.
Ya i hate these what could of been threads cause the raps r always on the bad side ...so many draft blunders
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I remember Granger was saying before 2005 draft that he won't like coming to Toronto. So, why drafting him? Also, I think if you give Joey all those touches Granger gets in Indiana and Joey might end up with close numbers. Is not like Granger makes Indiana contenders in East.
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It was a bad pick but regardless, I would be wary of Granger's 26ppg, IMO he's a lot closer to a JRich kind of 3rd option type than a real star. (he jacks up 7 3 pointers a game) He's benefitted from being on a team with no definitive franchise guy, and playing in Obie's all shats system. Same with Mike Dunleavy... he's really more of a 4th option type guy who's game is really only shooting, but playing in Indy, it's easier.

Granger hasn't shown me enough dimensions to his game, away from scoring a lot on jumpshooting. Not particularly great at driving (though not bad), doesn't really make his teammates better, pretty bad at d.

Someone like Devin Harris is a much more effective player IMO because of how he can break down the defence and find open men in the process, plus his defensive strength, clutch factor, etc.

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I remember Granger was saying before 2005 draft that he won't like coming to Toronto. So, why drafting him? Also, I think if you give Joey all those touches Granger gets in Indiana and Joey might end up with close numbers. Is not like Granger makes Indiana contenders in East.
i think you're confusing him with green. i specifically remember articles published to the contrary. remember headlines like "granger loves toronto. toronto loves granger"?
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