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Acie 01-11-2011 10:01 AM

Grange: Toronto Raptors are bordering on irrelevance
 
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As the Eastern Conference gains star power, the Toronto Raptors are bordering on irrelevance. Itís kind of harsh to say, but with the Miami Heat delivering on the hype (21-1 since their 9-9 start) and Boston remaining Boston, the Magic exploding, the Bulls and Hawks lurking and the Knicks emerging as a legit playoff team and now the Nets on the verge of landing Carmelo Anthony (though this breakdown by ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan certainly raises it's share of questions) the Raptors are not only bad, but worse, boring; with no star power and no brand identity. The fan base remains tremendously loyal in that they remain a middle-of-the-pack team, attendance-wise, but the proper reward for them is a high, promising draft pick, not a foolís gold duel with the Philadelphia 76ers for the eighth playoff spot in the East.
LINK - Globe and Mail

jeffb 01-11-2011 10:09 AM

First year of a rebuild what did he expect? Seriously, we're on pace for 25-30 wins, we're not the Nets of last year.Especially when you consider our injury woes.he's right about irrelevant I guess but name me a rebuilding young team that isn't. 3yrs ago Seattle/OKC was irrelevant. I thought he was done writting about the Raptors?

creative1mm 01-11-2011 10:10 AM

I am tired of these articles, I swear these dudes have nothing to write about..
people talk as if we are on pace to finish with the worst record in regular season history..

who gives a sh*t, let these young guys develop..

J-Roc 01-11-2011 10:21 AM

In other news, newspapers are bordering on irrelevancy.

Claudius 01-11-2011 11:04 AM

He does have a point though.

I mean, exposure is key for various reasons and it's why having Vince Carter here was so huge. How many basketball fans did he create? Even if they were just VC fans they were still following this team.

In a market, where hockey is king, bordering on irrelevancy is dangerous.

I get we're in a rebuild, but really, in the sports landscape and even in the basketball landscape we're really nowhere. In a basketball standpoint, we're already having trouble recruiting FA's to sign here. Why make it more harder?

'trane 01-11-2011 11:11 AM

as long as mlse is making money from the raptors they aren't irrelevant to the ownership or to the city. and they definitely aren't irrelevant to the nba because we are the only international franchise, and stern is interested in promoting that.

they are not relevant to hockey fans, but as we all know they are very relevant to the (significant) segment of the toronto population that likes basketball and doesn't like hockey. and with the growing urbanization of canadian cities and the large immigrant populations that have no connection to frozen games, i hardly see a forthcoming decline in the number of basketball fans.

sure, we'll be more popular if we're winning. but that hardly equates to any kind of legitimate irrelevancy that would endanger the franchise.

Ligeia 01-11-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by creative1mm (Post 491304)
I am tired of these articles, I swear these dudes have nothing to write about..
people talk as if we are on pace to finish with the worst record in regular season history..

who gives a sh*t, let these young guys develop..

He is not complaining about the team losing; what he is complaining about is the team losing but not losing enough to actually bottom out and get a good lottery pick that the fans could be excited about. Instead, it is a team full of role players and a couple 3rd options.

b55bgc 01-11-2011 11:28 AM

We have a couple budding superstars in derozan and davis.
And i would say bargnani is an allstar. HE is the top scoring centre isnt he?

jeffb 01-11-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 491324)
He does have a point though.

I mean, exposure is key for various reasons and it's why having Vince Carter here was so huge. How many basketball fans did he create? Even if they were just VC fans they were still following this team.

In a market, where hockey is king, bordering on irrelevancy is dangerous.

I get we're in a rebuild, but really, in the sports landscape and even in the basketball landscape we're really nowhere. In a basketball standpoint, we're already having trouble recruiting FA's to sign here. Why make it more harder?

Depends how one equates irrelevance. I mean the attendance for the Raps (a bad team) is pretty good, a game against SAC drawing 17,000+ is damn good. Are we irrelevant in the league itself, absolutely...every shit team is for the most part. But in this city they aren't irrelevant, far from it imo due to a healthy sized fanbase.

fancylad 01-11-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 491333)
We have a couple budding superstars in derozan and davis.

I am a big backer of both, but it's wayyyyyy too early to say that. That's just getting your hopes too high based on too little to back it up.

bjjs 01-11-2011 11:58 AM

So many fans critique the "hype machine created by David Stern. Hyping up the superstar, killing team basketball. And yet....they crave the hype themselves. Perhaps Mr. Stern let the fans create that monster all on their own.

The Raptors have a group of young players who genuinely enjoy playing together. And they have quite a bit of confidence. I don't think Ed Davis or Demar Derozan consider themselves second stringers or role players.

Their opinion on the matter is actually worth quite a bit. I don't think they go out and compete against the leagues best because they're dumb as nails. I think they probably think they actually have a shot at becoming as good or better than some of these other squads. The way these guys play, they play to win. They force the ball to the rim only because they want a sure thing. I love that kind of basketball.

You let them develop as a team and see where they get too. Fans who are worth having can get behind an actual team. You can't tell me that as a group of young 20 year olds, their isn't another team in this league that they can't potentially become better than with the exception of the Heat.

Also;

When talking about contending in the Eastern Conference. The Raptors are irrelevant. They aren't bordering on irrelevance. It's what they are. It's been that way for a few years.

If we're talking about teams that play in the Eastern Conference. They are relevant. They play and compete in the Eastern Conference. They'll stay relevant in this respect for quite some time.

Superjudge 01-11-2011 12:08 PM

Its a good article, he right.

TORaptor4Ever 01-11-2011 12:51 PM

I can see where the article is going.... and TBH I'd agree. There just isn't much to look at right now for basketball fans in general when you talk about the Raptors. We have a bunch of young players who are still trying to find their way... and several older players who are really bench guys on any quality team.

Truth be told, I really miss watching a legit all-star operate (in a raps uni) on a nightly basis. :sigh:

carp 01-11-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 491370)
I can see where the article is going.... and TBH I'd agree. There just isn't much to look at right now for basketball fans in general when you talk about the Raptors. We have a bunch of young players who are still trying to find their way... and several older players who are really bench guys on any quality team.

Truth be told, I really miss watching a legit all-star operate (in a raps uni) on a nightly basis. :sigh:

I've missed that since Vince Carter too. I feel your pain.

TORaptor4Ever 01-11-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 491374)
I've missed that since Vince Carter too. I feel your pain.

*takes bait off of hook*

*hands it back to carp*

;)

carp 01-11-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 491378)
*takes bait off of hook*

*hands it back to carp*

;)

lol... love it!

In fact, I want Vince back next year.

LX 01-11-2011 01:49 PM

This article seems to be a bit of an attempt to imitate SI or ESPN. Newspapers, it would appear, are becoming irrelevant.

MikeToronto 01-11-2011 01:51 PM

The Raptors truly haven't been relevant since that single playoffs run beyond the first round. *puts the bait back*

As far as the reporters are concerned, their frustration is perfectly understandable - at least last year, there was the continuing "will Bosh stay or go" saga to dip into. This season, there is nothing really to write about = irrelevancy.

carp 01-11-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 491416)
The Raptors truly haven't been relevant since that single playoffs run beyond the first round. *puts the bait back*

As far as the reporters are concerned, their frustration is perfectly understandable - at least last year, there was the continuing "will Bosh stay or go" saga to dip into. This season, there is nothing really to write about = irrelevancy.

you're right about that bosh bs.... too abd he couldn't man up and just be honest earlier... everyone knew he was leaving

b55bgc 01-11-2011 01:58 PM

The next couple of years will say allot.
Boston, Lakers, San Antonio, are all getting older.
We have a young base to work with. Its just a matter of keeping the core and putting some trust in them.


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