Grange: "Is it too early to give up on Bargnani?"

Dr. J. Naismith · 03-27-2008, 01:37 PM

When is it time? I think right now its still too soon, but what do you think is a reasonable time frame for Bargnani and when to consider him a disappointment and to move on?

Check out what Grange had to say in his blog today:

Quote:

Originally Posted by From Deep Blog

Is it too early to give up on Bargnani? Probably. But I think the next 11 games and the playoffs should tell a story about the guy. As I wrote the other day, all mitigating circumstances aside, this is a player whose special skill is the ability to shoot the ball -- Except he can't shoot very well, if the statistics are to be believed. There are those who suggested that Bargnani's struggles began when he was removed from the starting lineup early in the season – but his numbers as a starter this year aren't much better than his numbers coming off the bench, unless you want to get excited about someone shooting 40 per cent from the floor. There are those who suggest he lost his confidence after he hurt his knee. That might excuse December, but what about January? There are those that suggest he's playing out of position, so you do you explain his production when Bosh was out and he started at power forward? Now there are those that will point to the latest decision to bring him off the bench as yet another blow to his psyche.

At some point he has to perform the most basic basketball function: make open shots on a consistent basis, regardless of circumstance. And if he can grab a rebound or two and avoid the odd stupid foul, that would be a bonus. But find shots you can make, and make them. That's his job, no excuses.

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**Ball Don't Lie** · 03-27-2008, 01:43 PM

Hes only in his 2nd year. Next year will be a big year for him and how he comes into training camp and what hes added to his game. If hes still like this year next year then we should start to worry.

He has the package he just doesnt know how to use it yet. He really needs to work on his conditioning this offseason and take 1000 shots per day so his shot isnt flat later i nthe game and he can hit the easy shots consistantly.

rapsfan087 · 03-27-2008, 01:46 PM

How many years has Bynum been developing his game?
How many years has other young big guys needed to develope it?

I really think that guy (reporter) is talking shit to get that people read his article. Big guys need years and this guy is saying that we can see the Bargs' value after the next 11 games ... lmao ... what a way to try to watch Bargs' future

Krazy Ivan · 03-27-2008, 01:52 PM

No... it's too early to give up on Bargnani.

If, after next season he did not improve... then yes... but not now.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! · 03-27-2008, 02:28 PM

They have to write something negative...I guess AB is the only real target after last nights game. I wasn't a big fan of Triano's tie though..i think we should consider giving up on him... he's gotta pick it up soon!

gimmo · 03-27-2008, 02:52 PM

Have you ever heard the word "trust"???

Please take a look here

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=KzqJyADNaJI

I know that it's "only" Euroleague and not NBA but Antrea i nthis clip was only 20 years old. Now He seems to be another person. Don't you think???

He just needs credit and confidence ,and it's clear that he don't have it at the moment

**fancylad** · 03-27-2008, 02:58 PM

Confidence: that's the thing that bothers me about Andrea.

He should have tougher skin and more determination. Take a guy like Delfino. Even when his shot isn't falling, he still shoots and thinks he will make it. Or he mixes it up and drives to the hoop. When Bargnani is struggling he seems to really dissapear. I'm not saying Delfino is the bees knees or anything, but sometimes it'd be better if Bargnani was more like him.

I think Andrea will get there at some point, but he needs to work at it. He still hasn't really figured out what works and what doesn't work for him in the NBA.

fho · 03-27-2008, 02:59 PM

Of course it's too early to give up. I think he's only been given enough minutes to make some mistakes and then get pulled off. He needs more "continuous" minutes to work through them during a game.

He definitely needs to get his defense up, for sure.

Krazy Ivan · 03-27-2008, 03:00 PM

C'mmon... Raps gave Haffa more time for crying out loud.

pimpery · 03-27-2008, 03:08 PM

i gave up on him the day he was drafted :P

Krazy Ivan · 03-27-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpery

i gave up on him the day he was drafted :P

I did too... but Raps gave him sooo much time hopping he will improve.

Superjudge · 03-27-2008, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thriller92

Hes only in his 2nd year. Next year will be a big year for him and how he comes into training camp and what hes added to his game. If hes still like this year next year then we should start to worry.

He has the package he just doesnt know how to use it yet. He really needs to work on his conditioning this offseason and take 1000 shots per day so his shot isnt flat later i nthe game and he can hit the easy shots consistantly.

1000 shots?

Pussy.

3000 is more in line with what I'd have planned for him.

Agent Zero Style.

And HGH.

And dedication to learning to work hard.

The MVP of West Hollywood · 03-28-2008, 01:35 AM

I just hate his baby attitude. He was wearing the "Someone just kicked my dog and I'm saddddddd!!!" look for the entire Piston game. Same thing when he got benched before. I really think that if Bargnani had someone like Noah or even Hump's passion(minus the dumb shots), we would have a stud on our hands. But I think his attitude is something that'll be hard to get over.

moremilk · 03-28-2008, 01:15 PM

you don't know what you're talking about, the guy had 3 teeth knocked out, washed his mouth and came back on the floor to take 2 free throws. Funny how you don't like his baby attitude, but I've yet to see you complain about TJ's.

BballWatcher · 03-28-2008, 01:47 PM

Too early to give up on Bargnani? Absolutely.

But you have to question what his ceiling is, and it's undoubtedly lower than what could have been after his first season.

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Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood

I just hate his baby attitude. He was wearing the "Someone just kicked my dog and I'm saddddddd!!!" look for the entire Piston game. Same thing when he got benched before. I really think that if Bargnani had someone like Noah or even Hump's passion(minus the dumb shots), we would have a stud on our hands. But I think his attitude is something that'll be hard to get over.

Why is that bad that he wants to play? It's not like he's actually complaining to the media.

Ideally we WANT him to be pissed at himself when he doesn't play. That sting will make him play harder in the long run.

03-27-2008, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
gimmo is pounding the rock! Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2 Representing:	What the fuck are you saying??? Have you ever heard the word "trust"??? Please take a look here http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=KzqJyADNaJI I know that it's "only" Euroleague and not NBA but Antrea i nthis clip was only 20 years old. Now He seems to be another person. Don't you think??? He just needs credit and confidence ,and it's clear that he don't have it at the moment

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rapsfan087 is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 814 Representing:	How many years has Bynum been developing his game? How many years has other young big guys needed to develope it? I really think that guy (reporter) is talking shit to get that people read his article. Big guys need years and this guy is saying that we can see the Bargs' value after the next 11 games ... lmao ... what a way to try to watch Bargs' future

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Krazy Ivan is pounding the rock! Byte Mii, I have Wii Fit! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,967 Representing:	No... it's too early to give up on Bargnani. If, after next season he did not improve... then yes... but not now.

03-27-2008, 02:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sick, Wicked and Nasty! is adoring his baby girl. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada eh? Posts: 3,288 Representing:	They have to write something negative...I guess AB is the only real target after last nights game. I wasn't a big fan of Triano's tie though..i think we should consider giving up on him... he's gotta pick it up soon!

03-27-2008, 02:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
fancylad is travis pickin' nosce te ipsum Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: east side. Posts: 13,810 Representing:	Confidence: that's the thing that bothers me about Andrea. He should have tougher skin and more determination. Take a guy like Delfino. Even when his shot isn't falling, he still shoots and thinks he will make it. Or he mixes it up and drives to the hoop. When Bargnani is struggling he seems to really dissapear. I'm not saying Delfino is the bees knees or anything, but sometimes it'd be better if Bargnani was more like him. I think Andrea will get there at some point, but he needs to work at it. He still hasn't really figured out what works and what doesn't work for him in the NBA.

03-27-2008, 02:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
fho is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 168 Representing:	Of course it's too early to give up. I think he's only been given enough minutes to make some mistakes and then get pulled off. He needs more "continuous" minutes to work through them during a game. He definitely needs to get his defense up, for sure.

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Krazy Ivan is pounding the rock! Byte Mii, I have Wii Fit! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,967 Representing:	C'mmon... Raps gave Haffa more time for crying out loud.

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pimpery is pounding the rock! Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: dominican republic baby Posts: 566 Representing:	i gave up on him the day he was drafted :P

03-28-2008, 01:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
The MVP of West Hollywood is the only guy who thinks Terrence Ross will be an all-star Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,125 Representing:	I just hate his baby attitude. He was wearing the "Someone just kicked my dog and I'm saddddddd!!!" look for the entire Piston game. Same thing when he got benched before. I really think that if Bargnani had someone like Noah or even Hump's passion(minus the dumb shots), we would have a stud on our hands. But I think his attitude is something that'll be hard to get over.

03-28-2008, 01:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
moremilk is whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 7,084 Representing:	you don't know what you're talking about, the guy had 3 teeth knocked out, washed his mouth and came back on the floor to take 2 free throws. Funny how you don't like his baby attitude, but I've yet to see you complain about TJ's.