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Old 11-04-2008, 12:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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. Hey you. Ya, you. You are a complete and total knob; a poster of what is wrong with sports these days. If the global financial meltdown somehow rids arenas of your species, it might be a good thing. The only caveat here is if maybe you got a page that, like, a close relative was just taken to hospital by ambulance, or something like that. In which case, apologies and I hope all is well. But you sure didn't give that vibe when you got up and left your front row, centre court seats at the start of OVERTIME at the Raptors home opener on Friday night. You had better seats than Matt Devlin. Your girlfriend/wife/whatever was bopping around to the music, enjoying the $12 beers. You seemed to be enjoying the first 48 minutes of a fantastic basketball game from the best seats in the entire ACC. It would be unbecoming of me to suggest your suspicious tan and goofy hair looked a bit out of place with your suit. To each his own. It was Hallowe'en, maybe it was a costume. And I understand, when someone gives you seats you have no obligation to be a fan. It's just a night out right? So leave in the third quarter. Leave in the early fourth. The expensive seats at any arena have their share of residents who would rather beat traffic than see the end of a close game. But once you've been there for the whole game; once you've seen Chris Bosh help grind out a win with a pair of clutch free throws (after some untimely misses); once you've been on the floor to feel the energy of one of the liveliest basketball crowds this city has seen outside of a playoff game, don't leave when the ball is being thrown up to start overtime. That's just disrespectful. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say now that you've gone, don't bother coming back.
About damn time someone from the media spoke up. My respect for him has gone up ten fold. And sorry if this was posted in yesterdays news section.

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Old 11-04-2008, 12:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good rant by Grange.

I'm sure all of us on this message board feel the exact same way.

such a shame that so many people who have prime tickets to these games have no business sitting in there.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's none of his effin business if you ask me.

The guy paid good effin money to be able to leave when he wants.

Honestly, what a stupid article.
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They couldn't have me sitting in those seats. I'd be kicked out 3-4 minutes into the game for verbally abusing players on the other team. I'm surprised I was allowed to stay the 48 minutes + overtime and that the usher never came over to give me a warning.

Good on Grange though. I'd give anything to sit in seats that like. Even if it was against some bottom feeding team that wouldn't draw much like OK City or Charlotte.
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I agree with SJ.
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It's none of his effin business if you ask me.

The guy paid good effin money to be able to leave when he wants.

Honestly, what a stupid article.
It's not a stupid article at all.

I agree with Grange that people who end up with "the best seats in the house" should at least have an interest in who wins the game. plain and simple.

Like sheeit... Just because you have money to buy something doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't have bought it if it's of no use to you.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's none of his effin business if you ask me.

The guy paid good effin money to be able to leave when he wants.

Honestly, what a stupid article.
He paid good effin money to be able to sit where he wants, but come on, leaving at the beginning of OT? Why even bother going to the game? And it's not like he couldn't have made any of the parties in the downtown scene if he stayed for OT - the game was finished before 10.

Why is it stupid? Because he tells the truth?
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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They couldn't have me sitting in those seats. I'd be kicked out 3-4 minutes into the game for verbally abusing players on the other team. I'm surprised I was allowed to stay the 48 minutes + overtime and that the usher never came over to give me a warning.

Good on Grange though. I'd give anything to sit in seats that like. Even if it was against some bottom feeding team that wouldn't draw much like OK City or Charlotte.
HERE HERE!!!!

i'm with you there.

and of course i realize that money talks and all that shit and that pro sports is all about $$$$$. ... but damn man, It's just not a cool thing to witness by a hardcore fan of average income (me).
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Maybe the babysitter had to be home by 11. Who the hell knows?

Would you rather the seat was just empty the whole game? That would be worse to me.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Way to go mush mouth.That is one hell of a rant. All truth!
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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What truth?

You're appealing to my emotions and Im talking about basic business logic.

OFCOURSE you would stay, but there are only a few big seats to sell, and they are big $$$$. It's much harder to sell the other 17000 seats, so trust me, they are happy to have the corperate people there, and they dont care if they stay, and Grange shold STFU anyhow, rarely do people leave in that situation. It's about creating an environment where the lowly cheap seat filler can get all starry eyed about the front row, so much so they actually convince themselves that they have justified not only the importance of staying and being allowed to sit in the front row as an ultimate goal, but justifying your own place in the grey's.

Sounds to me like they be doin they're job VERY WELL.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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heehee.

y'all are funny.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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It really is a dumb complaint.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wouldnt think its dumb.

I think ever person who goes to a game should go there to support a team. Otherwise why go at all.

If he was given the tickets he could have refused or gave them away to someone else.

As far as Im concerned, only 2 reasons could arrive in which I would leave a game before it was over.
1) wife is having a baby
2) wife wants to make a baby.

In case 2, I would be back before the TV timeout was over.
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Here's the problem though, and I'm speaking to SJ, you could end up creating a situation close to what the Leafs have, i.e. a fanbase that can only attend the game because it's trendy.

The problem is, the Raptors don't have a strong fan base. It's a very static one in my opinion. So you could sell those seats to corporate people, they'll attend while the product is hot. But, what happens when the product isn't any longer? You didn't create any new fans, instead you created a potential problem because those seats became THAT much more expensive that regular joe who may earn 70k/year can't even afford them.

Why not have children in those seats? Why not do business with charities and give them those seats? If we're speaking of business, what a better way to DO business by bettering your coporate image and creating a new fan base. Most money is made in luxury boxes not court side seats anyways. It wouldn't hurt at all and could potentially create a new atmosphere.

Grange is saying nothing wrong here. He's simply saying, that many fans would die for those seats, these people seemed like casual viewers, and for fans who would love those seats, it just seems nonchalant and arrogant of the people to just get up and leave.
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I wouldnt think its dumb.
I think ever person who goes to a game should go there to support a team. Otherwise why go at all.

If he was given the tickets he could have refused or gave them away to someone else.

As far as Im concerned, only 2 reasons could arrive in which I would leave a game before it was over.
1) wife is having a baby
2) wife wants to make a baby.

In case 2, I would be back before the TV timeout was over.


Who are you to dictate how a fan should be, Stalin?
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Here's the problem though, and I'm speaking to SJ, you could end up creating a situation close to what the Leafs have, i.e. a fanbase that can only attend the game because it's trendy.

The problem is, the Raptors don't have a strong fan base. It's a very static one in my opinion. So you could sell those seats to corporate people, they'll attend while the product is hot. But, what happens when the product isn't any longer? You didn't create any new fans, instead you created a potential problem because those seats became THAT much more expensive that regular joe who may earn 70k/year can't even afford them.

Why not have children in those seats? Why not do business with charities and give them those seats? If we're speaking of business, what a better way to DO business by bettering your coporate image and creating a new fan base. Most money is made in luxury boxes not court side seats anyways. It wouldn't hurt at all and could potentially create a new atmosphere.

Grange is saying nothing wrong here. He's simply saying, that many fans would die for those seats, these people seemed like casual viewers, and for fans who would love those seats, it just seems nonchalant and arrogant of the people to just get up and leave.
Agree, all good points, except regular Joe making 70K.
Thats the premier where Im at.
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It's the same concept as the Leafs games. Being at the game Saturday night, seemingly for the first 10 minutes of every period, it seemed like no one was in the Platinum section - I had a good view of it, I was 15th row upperbowl. I mean, are you really conducting business on A Friday night or Saturday night? We're regarded as being one the best fanbases in the association. And you leave right at tip-off? That's not right. Should have at least given your ticket to someone else so they could enjoy the experience. But knowing that dude, he probably kept the ticket and redeemed it the next day for a slice of pizza.
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I wouldnt think its dumb.
I think ever person who goes to a game should go there to support a team. Otherwise why go at all.

If he was given the tickets he could have refused or gave them away to someone else.

As far as Im concerned, only 2 reasons could arrive in which I would leave a game before it was over.
1) wife is having a baby
2) wife wants to make a baby.

In case 2, I would be back before the TV timeout was over.


Who are you to dictate how a fan should be, Stalin?

Answered your own question there.

To me it would be like walking out into the middle of a dance floor and refusing to dance.

Why bother to go if your not gonna totally emerse yourself in the whole experience.

Mabey its because I have never seen a real good sporting event in person outside of some AHL hockey, but to me at least the point of going is to be a fan.
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It's the same concept as the Leafs games. Being at the game Saturday night, seemingly for the first 10 minutes of every period, it seemed like no one was in the Platinum section - I had a good view of it, I was 15th row upperbowl. I mean, are you really conducting business on A Friday night or Saturday night? We're regarded as being one the best fanbases in the association. And you leave right at tip-off? That's not right. Should have at least given your ticket to someone else so they could enjoy the experience. But knowing that dude, he probably kept the ticket and redeemed it the next day for a slice of pizza.
It's not necessarily about the act of conducting business. Joe Rich Business Dude has tickets and wants to show someone a good time to kiss ass or whatever, so he gives the tickets away or takes a guest. It's an investment. These corporate people who purchase these insanely expensive tickets are what keeps these teams - in this day and age - afloat. If you have a problem, it should be with the owners of the team. Saying that so and so should give his tickets to "hardcore" fans is as ridiculous as saying the owners should drop the prices of those expensive tickets to what you'd pay for reds.
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