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Old 12-02-2013, 04:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You know, a part of me was hoping Rudy would stay down when he got blocked by Mozgov.

Just to see how the team would function without him on the floor, and to see him ease his way back by coming off the bench.
Did anyone help him up after that?
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Did anyone help him up after that?
Nah, the team ran back on defense. As they should.
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You know, a part of me was hoping Rudy would stay down when he got blocked by Mozgov.

Just to see how the team would function without him on the floor, and to see him ease his way back by coming off the bench.
Just a part of you?
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Nah, the team ran back on defense. As they should.
Oh ya. Forgot. Would have been nice to see nobody help though.
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Old 12-02-2013, 05:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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A big part of NBA coaching is ego management. You see it with guys like Cousins, Josh Smith, Westbrook, Kobe, Monta Ellis, Chris Paul...

Asking Gay (21st in the NBA in scoring this season, only 27 years old) isn't really realistic, even if he's playing horribly inefficient basketball. He's not on the tail end of his career and still have lots left in the tank, even if much of that juice is driving into the paint 1 on 4 and waving off teammates for contested jumpers.

Gay certainly improves our team in a few capacities (scoring, steals, rebounding for his position), but he also takes a lot away (not a good passer or team player, ridiculously bad 38% shooting, low PER). He's like a late- career Iverson.

I like the idea of mixing up the starting lineup, even if it means moving a solid citizen like Amir to the bench. Look what happens - Valanciunas gets more touches, maybe gets in the flow a bit more and gets more total PT because of that. Not all bad!

I don't think Casey has any idea who to play off the bench though - Buycks vs. Augustin vs. Stone, and that lack of defined roles (ie. backup PG) is an issue.

The season is still young and we have some pieces. DeRozan is basically the best case scenario of himself, exactly what we all wished he would be based on his great pre-season performance.

Two weeks ago everyone had written off 5-6 Denver as being done, having no chance of the post season, etc. Now suddenly they're 10-6 and in the mix for the playoffs. Things change quickly.

Look who we've lost to: nearly full strength Brooklyn in a nearly must-win for them, Miami (no chance) and the hot as lava Denver Nuggets.

We haven't even had a chance to beat up on the Knicks yet this season. Let's pass through this rough patch in our schedule - by the end of December we should have a better idea where we're at. Currently, we're still the 4th seed in the East (hahaha!) although by record we're tied for 9th.

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Old 12-02-2013, 05:57 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The starting lineup should be based on how well you are playing currently, not reputation.
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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A big part of NBA coaching is ego management. You see it with guys like Cousins, Josh Smith, Westbrook, Kobe, Monta Ellis, Chris Paul...

Asking Gay (21st in the NBA in scoring this season, only 27 years old) isn't really realistic, even if he's playing horribly inefficient basketball. He's not on the tail end of his career and still have lots left in the tank, even if much of that juice is driving into the paint 1 on 4 and waving off teammates for contested jumpers.

Gay certainly improves our team in a few capacities (scoring, steals, rebounding for his position), but he also takes a lot away (not a good passer or team player, ridiculously bad 38% shooting, low PER). He's like a late- career Iverson.

I like the idea of mixing up the starting lineup, even if it means moving a solid citizen like Amir to the bench. Look what happens - Valanciunas gets more touches, maybe gets in the flow a bit more and gets more total PT because of that. Not all bad!

I don't think Casey has any idea who to play off the bench though - Buycks vs. Augustin vs. Stone, and that lack of defined roles (ie. backup PG) is an issue.

The season is still young and we have some pieces. DeRozan is basically the best case scenario of himself, exactly what we all wished he would be based on his great pre-season performance.

Two weeks ago everyone had written off 5-6 Denver as being done, having no chance of the post season, etc. Now suddenly they're 10-6 and in the mix for the playoffs. Things change quickly.

Look who we've lost to: nearly full strength Brooklyn in a nearly must-win for them, Miami (no chance) and the hot as lava Denver Nuggets.

We haven't even had a chance to beat up on the Knicks yet this season. Let's pass through this rough patch in our schedule - by the end of December we should have a better idea where we're at. Currently, we're still the 4th seed in the East (hahaha!) although by record we're tied for 9th.
I do not see us beating the Knicks the way we are currently playing.

Brooklyn came in to our house and beat us, so that should tell you enough about that.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I think sending Rudy to the bench is an overreaction. Yes his shot and selection of it has been poor but he's been playing decent defense at times rebounding and blocking shots, still someone opposing teams have to prepare. Lowry and others need to get Valanciunas involved more down low,too many FG attempts come from the outside.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:44 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Grange must have been reading our gamethread yesterday.... I'm suing for plagiarism!
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:17 PM   #30 (permalink)
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IMO he has a point. He's a prick in the way he said it, but he has a point. He's the most impact foul player on the team. As bad as he's been shooting, he's a good defender and provides rebounding from the wing that helps the team a lot. Hes being asked to do too much and he's right when he assumes he won't come off the bench here, he's our best player (which is sad when you think about it)
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Look who we've lost to: nearly full strength Brooklyn in a nearly must-win for them, Miami (no chance) and the hot as lava Denver
Brooklyn was not even close to full strength. Both Lopez and Deron Williams were out and I'm sure some others too.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:10 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I think a more interesting question is look we we beat ... Boston, Utah, Milwaukee, Memphis, Wizards and Philadelphia. Not a winning team in that bunch, Memphis would have been impressive had Memphis been their last seasons' version. When we play a good team, we tend to lose one way or another ....
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Brooklyn was not even close to full strength. Both Lopez and Deron Williams were out and I'm sure some others too.
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sending Gay to the bench accomplishes nothing... I wish we'd be more creative in our solutions. Ship them all out!

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Old 12-03-2013, 06:27 AM   #35 (permalink)
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A big part of NBA coaching is ego management. You see it with guys like Cousins, Josh Smith, Westbrook, Kobe, Monta Ellis, Chris Paul...

Asking Gay (21st in the NBA in scoring this season, only 27 years old) isn't really realistic, even if he's playing horribly inefficient basketball. He's not on the tail end of his career and still have lots left in the tank, even if much of that juice is driving into the paint 1 on 4 and waving off teammates for contested jumpers.

Gay certainly improves our team in a few capacities (scoring, steals, rebounding for his position), but he also takes a lot away (not a good passer or team player, ridiculously bad 38% shooting, low PER). He's like a late- career Iverson.

I like the idea of mixing up the starting lineup, even if it means moving a solid citizen like Amir to the bench. Look what happens - Valanciunas gets more touches, maybe gets in the flow a bit more and gets more total PT because of that. Not all bad!

I don't think Casey has any idea who to play off the bench though - Buycks vs. Augustin vs. Stone, and that lack of defined roles (ie. backup PG) is an issue.

The season is still young and we have some pieces. DeRozan is basically the best case scenario of himself, exactly what we all wished he would be based on his great pre-season performance.

Two weeks ago everyone had written off 5-6 Denver as being done, having no chance of the post season, etc. Now suddenly they're 10-6 and in the mix for the playoffs. Things change quickly.

Look who we've lost to: nearly full strength Brooklyn in a nearly must-win for them, Miami (no chance) and the hot as lava Denver Nuggets.

We haven't even had a chance to beat up on the Knicks yet this season. Let's pass through this rough patch in our schedule - by the end of December we should have a better idea where we're at. Currently, we're still the 4th seed in the East (hahaha!) although by record we're tied for 9th.
OK i can agree with this post for the most part. The ego management is a really big thing. Rudy is a reflection of the type of player he is which is an overpayed pseudo-star and sending him to the doghouse isn't really going to accomplish much of anything i don't think. I don't know how to fix this mess and i don't really feel like cramping my brain trying to come up with a way, but that's not to say something can't be done and the team can't go on a bit of a roll.

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Old 12-03-2013, 08:59 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Gay does little for us defensively. If defense was about making one big play here and there - he's awesome. But it's not, it's about playing solid every single possession. As far as that goes, Gay is not somebody you can trust to maintain focus on the defensive end of the court.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:29 AM   #37 (permalink)
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love Grange...have been saying for a while now that we need more of him

he's the only guy i've ever seen put Burke in his place...he literally owned him during a post season press conference with one single question
i thought BB was going to implode
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