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Old 02-26-2013, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The club is 7-4 since acquiring him from the Memphis Grizzlies, even after Monday night's loss to the Washington Wizards, while Gay has averaged a team-best 20.4 points while hustling for 6.7 rebounds and using his length and quickness to nab 2.64 steals.

Throw in a couple of game-winning shots and Gay has been almost everything that Raptors president Bryan Colangelo could have possibly asked for since swinging the deal that sent Jose Calderon to Detroit and Ed Davis to Memphis.

But there's one niggling number that throws a bit of damper on the early days of Gay's Raptors career -- well, actually, a couple of them.

He's on pace to convert just 37.5 per cent of his shot attempts with his new team after his 1-of-11 shooting performance against Washington. It's even more notable since he's averaging 19.6 shots a game -- the most ever by a Raptor not named Vince Carter and matched across the NBA this season only by the Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant.

More concerning is that while his sample size with the Raptors is small enough to be dismissed, it's part of a long-term trend. Gay was shooting just 40.8 per cent from the floor (on 16.4 shots a game) through 42 games in Memphis. For the year he's shooting just 29.7 per cent this season from behind the three-point line (and 26 per cent as a Raptor) which is a slip from the career-low 31.2 per cent he connected on from deep last year.

A career 45.6 per cent shooter, Gay seems unlikely to continue missing so many shots so often. Players that do are rare in the NBA-- like pitchers good enough to lose 20 games in baseball it takes a certain combination of ability and opportunity to miss in such volume.
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Hypothetically, if Gay were to rack up 20 shots on sub-40 per cent shooting over an entire season he would joining a Who's Who list of legendary, three-point era (post-1979-80) chuckers. Only four players have done, a list that includes Allen Iverson; Walker with Boston in 2001-02 and Davis in 2003-04 with New Orleans (Michael Adams makes a cameo while playing in Paul Westhead's ultra high-tempo attack in Denver in 1990-91).

Shooting percentages aren't everything -- Iverson led the Philadelphia 76ers to the NBA Finals and was the league MVP in 2000-01 while shooting just 39.8 per cent from the floor; and Jason Kidd will be a first ballot Hall-of-Famer while recording 11 seasons of sub-40 shooting.

But as advanced statistics in basketball efficiency become the focus around the league, especially this season since its two best players --LeBron James and Kevin Durant -- are on pace for historically-tidy seasons as they would become just the fourth and fifth players since 1979-80 to average at least 27 points on 18 shots or less a game.
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He says part of his shooting struggles this year are due to his efforts to broaden his responsibilities to become more like the elite players at his position he is so often compared with -- James, Durant and Carmelo Anthony of the New York Knicks, a fellow Baltimore legend.

"It's attributable to a lot of change -- in my style of play and trying to figure out the right place to take shots," he said. "This summer I took a lot of time to try and figure out how to be a better basketball player. Sometimes when you're trying to change your game so much, sometimes something like your shooting percentage might go down. It might take a while, but it will get back up to where it can be better than this year, I'm sure."

There's been change off the court too. He's barely two month beyond the sudden passing of his grandmother, Nell Foster.

"She was more like my mother -- another mother -- she was there for me whenever I needed," he says. "She was my biggest fan. We lived with her when I was growing up You still think about it. You're never going to forget."

Also he's only just been able to put behind him a severe shoulder injury that ended his 2010-11 season early -- "If I was a pitcher I'd be done," he explains.

Gay went eight months without shooting a basketball while recovering from surgery and says the layoff hampered his three-point stroke more than anything else. He was shooting 39.6 per cent from beyond the arc for the season before his injury but has connected on just 30.6 per cent of his three-pointers since.
Grange on Raptors: Gay’s hits and many misses - sportsnet.ca
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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His percentage is bad,but that's not what bothers me most. He takes alot of double covered shots,the shot selection is what concerns me more. Overall I'm happy with Gay here,his presence makes it easier for DeRozan,Lowry and others(Anderson,Lucas at times). If he looked to pass a bit more he may make it even easier for teammates.
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His percentage is bad,but that's not what bothers me most. He takes alot of double covered shots,the shot selection is what concerns me more. Overall I'm happy with Gay here,his presence makes it easier for DeRozan,Lowry and others(Anderson,Lucas at times). If he looked to pass a bit more he may make it even easier for teammates.
just because his presence makes it easier for them, doesn't mean they should all be chucking so readily.
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He's just getting over his shoulder injury and it's been affecting his shot.... makes sense. Also helps to explain Bargnani's shooting woes. Food for thought.

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During the game we often have Derozan, Gay, Anderson holding onto the ball far far too long. As was said yesterday, this team is a dominant PF away from being very dangerous.
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During the game we often have Derozan, Gay, Anderson holding onto the ball far far too long. As was said yesterday, this team is a dominant PF away from being very dangerous.
I agree.... it's too bad Bargnani has regressed, because if he was even a 15 and 6 player right now, we'd be pretty damn good.
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just because his presence makes it easier for them, doesn't mean they should all be chucking so readily.
What the bold below me says...a true low post presence would help out with the wings feeling the need to chuck because Gay makes it easier

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During the game we often have Derozan, Gay, Anderson holding onto the ball far far too long. As was said yesterday, this team is a dominant PF away from being very dangerous.
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He's just getting over his shoulder injury and it's been affecting his shot.... makes sense. Also helps to explain Bargnani's shooting woes. Food for thought.
His shooting woes started way before his arm injury (Bargs).

He was awful to start the season, last three seasons combined he's shooting 31 3pt% (percentages have been dropping for years) .

At least Rudy gets us some steals, rebounds whether or not his shot is going down. Food for though indeed
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His shooting woes started way before his arm injury (Bargs).

He was awful to start the season, last three seasons combined he's shooting 31 3pt% (percentages have been dropping for years) .

At least Rudy gets us some steals, rebounds whether or not his shot is going down. Food for though indeed
meh.... Gay's been playing for a long time.... Bargnani missed a lot of time last year too.... he's struggling to regain his rhythm and confidence... We're giving these guys too much leash because we have a coach who won't demand respect.
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I think his passing is more of a concern than his shooting percentage.
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I agree.... it's too bad Bargnani has regressed, because if he was even a 15 and 6 player right now, we'd be pretty damn good.
That's not even hard to do for a guy like him, he just can't get it together though..
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So, grange writes an article, one that is bang on and can be read 100 times over on a Memphis board, and the RF is response here is "Bargnani is shitty".

This makes sense how?
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So, grange writes an article, one that is bang on and can be read 100 times over on a Memphis board, and the RF is response here is "Bargnani is shitty".

This makes sense how?
agreed....

this team needs structure. We're young, athletic and lacking an offensive system that holds players accountable. We're in danger yet again of having too many guys try to do too much and not trusting each other. The lack of ball movement is pathetic for a professional team.

The PG play has been average at best, with spurts of excellence of course to be fair. The wing play is sloppy and consists mainly of predictable isos and inefficient perimeter shooting, and our bigs are relatively ignored repeatedly on offense. There is not in and out, or out and in. We shoot then maybe think about driving. We get outgunned when we outrun teams. It's a mess. When the defensive intensity has been upped, and thankfully we're more capable of doing this now too, we get locked down and our isos become far too defendable.... and not defendable as in justified.

It's not just Rudy, who is shooting poorly but has a presence that allows for more from others if utilized appropriately, but we need an emphasis on earning your touches and making sure you choose your shots as if you may not get any more if they're poor choices.
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So, grange writes an article, one that is bang on and can be read 100 times over on a Memphis board, and the RF is response here is "Bargnani is shitty".

This makes sense how?
Because a Bargnani fanboy brought him up and wanted to compare his situation with Gay's. If that isn't brought up this wouldn't have happened.


Simply put, a Bargnani fan came into a Rudy Gay thread and brought up Bargnani.
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I think I'm missing something. Who responded with Bargnani is shitty? I only see carp suggesting that Bargnani should be excused, because he had time off with an injury.

I really dislike Gay's shot selection and general tunnel vision. Say what you like about Demar, but he takes far far fewer bad shots, has a more reliable shot, and looks to facilitate much more. The fact that Gay apparently worked hard to take better shots is a little disconcerting.

I really dislike how he gets the ball with the defense rotating, and he stops the ball himself and lets the defense get set. He needs to pass, shoot or drive in those situations.

But ultimately, even if he could just get a reliable shot, it would make a big difference, so hopefully that happens soon enough.
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I think I'm missing something. Who responded with Bargnani is shitty? I only see carp suggesting that Bargnani should be excused, because he had time off with an injury.
Exactly. A Bargnani fan bringing him up in an unrelated thread then complaining about the responses. Nice!
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Exactly. A Bargnani fan bringing him up in an unrelated thread then complaining about the responses. Nice!
What? You're fucked. I made a minor reference and you hopped on it like a horny schoolgirl trying to get some pipe. SJ calls you on it and you try and pretend like you weren't after the pipe. Nice try. #jeffbfanboy
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I think I'm missing something. Who responded with Bargnani is shitty? I only see carp suggesting that Bargnani should be excused, because he had time off with an injury.

I really dislike Gay's shot selection and general tunnel vision. Say what you like about Demar, but he takes far far fewer bad shots, has a more reliable shot, and looks to facilitate much more. The fact that Gay apparently worked hard to take better shots is a little disconcerting.

I really dislike how he gets the ball with the defense rotating, and he stops the ball himself and lets the defense get set. He needs to pass, shoot or drive in those situations.

But ultimately, even if he could just get a reliable shot, it would make a big difference, so hopefully that happens soon enough.
Never said excused, simple stated that it provides some perspective on his struggles.

I agree with your thoughts on Gay, and while DD does seem more in control, he's also got a much less significant presence defensively than Gay... so there is that.
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