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Old 07-01-2009, 02:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Raptors reach out to Marion
They made the calls, but nothing is happening yet.

That was the message out of the Raptors camp in the wee hours of the morning as the free agency season officially got under way.

This has to be killing Bryan Colangelo, who -- to his credit -- likes to force the action. The results are often mixed - see Kapono, Jason - but better an error of commission than omission, I say

First things first: Any fantasies fans might have about Hedo Turkoglu making it to Toronto are just that. As has been well-chronicled the Raptors would have to renounce the rights to about half their roster to get the salary cap space to do it and they're right in thinking that adding Turkoglo at the expense of Marion and Delfino and Anthony Parker doesn't make the Raptors better, and has them paying Hedo about $12-million when he's 35. Besides, it looks like Turkoglu is going to Portland.

My understanding is the Raptors first thrust in the early hours of the free agency was directed at reaching out to Marion, as you would expect. They were in touch with the Turkoglu camp if only because if they do bail on Marion he is their preferred alternative. I also got word that the Raptors have "put a line in the water" for Linas Klieza and my only regret is that I didn't write in recent weeks something like: "The Raptors should put a feeler out to Linas Klieza." From half a continent away I've always been impressed with this guy. Great size, goes hard to the rim and can shoot it too. This would cost the Raptors a good chunk of their mid-level, but would be well worth it. Another name the Raptors have approached? Charlie Villaneuva, who didn't get a qualifying offer from Milwaukee. I think Kleiza's the better fit and the betting is Charlie V and Ben Gordon end up in Detroit where it looks like the Pistons are goinng to try and win games 200-199.

To me there are only two options for Toronto. One is to blow it up hard -- and that means trading Bosh, which they don't want to do -- and the other is to take the steps necessary to at least be competitive. Does re-signing Marion, adding Delfino and then some additional depth make the Raptors a top-four team in the East? Let me think: Cleveland, Boston, Orlando ....and after that who? Atlanta I guess. Chicago maybe? Philly I suppose. Washington maybe. Not exactly murder's row.

The point being that Bargnani, Bosh, Marion, Delfino, a healthy Calderon, Evans with additional proven depth by way of the mid-level exception and biannual exception at least gives the Raptors a chance to be in that conversation, and who knows what kind of bonus DeRozan might bring? I think Kleiza would be good add and the Raptors should find some money to spend on the best 15-20 minute point guard they can find, no offense to Roko, because having 48 minutes of consistent point guard play is the best way to get value out of the roster you do have.

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I'm just going to put this out there, completely out of my own dreamscape. Insiders never like it when guys like me just lob trade ideas. "What is this, fantasy league?" is the typical response.

But what the hell: If I'm the Raptors I'm calling Jeanie Buss and asking if they'd be interested in parting with Andrew Bynum for Chris Bosh, along with the requisite salary filler. Lakers get a star that would likely mesh well with Gasol and would almost certainly be willing to resign in LA. Raptors get the next best thing to Dwight Howard who would fit in great next to Bargnani, I think. Am I crazy?
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I think Marion is hesitating because he thinks he can get more from somwhere else. That or he really wants out and BC is really trying to get a S&T done. But it seems like Colangelo is spending alot of time on Marion and he may miss out on other players.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm just going to put this out there, completely out of my own dreamscape. Insiders never like it when guys like me just lob trade ideas. "What is this, fantasy league?" is the typical response.

But what the hell: If I'm the Raptors I'm calling Jeanie Buss and asking if they'd be interested in parting with Andrew Bynum for Chris Bosh, along with the requisite salary filler. Lakers get a star that would likely mesh well with Gasol and would almost certainly be willing to resign in LA. Raptors get the next best thing to Dwight Howard who would fit in great next to Bargnani, I think. Am I crazy?
Bynum-Bosh would be interesting. Does it work cap-wise?
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The problem is that if we can't keep Marion, we have to sign-and-trade him. Otherwise, we'll be trying to fill 4-5 roster spots (including a starting 3) with $9,000,000 and the chances of improving are slim-to-none. If we can re-sign Marion (or sign-and-trade), then we have mostly reserve roles to fill with the MLE, BAE, and VE. The off-season really does hinge on what we can do with The Matrix.
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But what the hell: If I'm the Raptors I'm calling Jeanie Buss and asking if they'd be interested in parting with Andrew Bynum for Chris Bosh, along with the requisite salary filler. Lakers get a star that would likely mesh well with Gasol and would almost certainly be willing to resign in LA. Raptors get the next best thing to Dwight Howard who would fit in great next to Bargnani, I think. Am I crazy?
Yes he is crazy. Bynum is nothing close to Howard.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Uhm, Barg has said just a few weeks ago that his natural position is still 4. Bynum for Bosh (+ something) seems to be good, but will make Barg our first option. I think he can handle it, but honestly shall be a great gamble.
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Uhm, Barg has said just a few weeks ago that his natural position is still 4. Bynum for Bosh seems to be good, but will make Barg our first option. I think he can handle it, but honestly shall be a great gamble.
Grange pulled that out of his ass, it won't happen.

BTW guys, it seems pretty obvious that Marion doesn't want to be here.
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The same Bynum that's often injured and moves like he's epoxied to the court?
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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marion is ******ed anyways man, that's an accident waiting to happen... seriously... what kinda professional in the right mind writes his ass in on fire in a twitter? he's a douche bag, I'm on the trade Bosh wagon and blow this popsicle stand. It's clear marion thinks he is a god, or just overvalues himself and his wack shot a lil too much
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Once the money runs out, Marion is going to sign:

Blazers going after Hedo
Memphis offering big money to David Lee
Detriot courting Charlie V and Ben Gordon

It puts the Raptors in a great spot. With very few teams left under the cap, Raptors will have many choices left from the free agents available.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Marion just wants to maximize his contract. No big deal if he holds out a few days.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bynum is like a young Kwame Brown right now. Huge and athletic but he hasn't shown any skills yet, and he doesn't have it mentally. He's also as foul and injury prone as Oden. The guy still has some potential but it's more likely to me he's a Dalembert/Chandler level center, or a bigger version of Al Horford

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Bynum is like a young Kwame Brown right now. Huge and athletic but he hasn't shown any skills yet, and he doesn't have it mentally. He's also as foul and injury prone as Oden. The guy still has some potential but it's more likely to me he's a Dalembert/Chandler level center, or a bigger version of Al Horford

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+1 I'm thinking the same thing as well.

well if Colangelo is prepared to let Marion walk, then we might as well be prepared right now for Bosh to walk...
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Bynum-Bosh would be interesting. Does it work cap-wise?
They would need to add alot more.
Bynums value is quit low right now(at least I think)

And LA needs a point more than another PF.(Odom, Gasol both fit there. Odom is a very very solid option for LA at PF)
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Marion just wants to maximize his contract. No big deal if he holds out a few days.
Except for that fact that we wait around while other players make commitments to other teams and dilute the pool of players available.
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Except for that fact that we wait around while other players make commitments to other teams and dilute the pool of players available.
I think what someone already said about the number of teams that actually have cap space is viable. Once those teams are gone, Marion will likely be offered no more than the MLE. The Thunder don't need him and Memphis and Detroit are pursuing other, younger players. I doubt any other team will offer him anything close to what we can give him.

Logically, he should sign with us. So he's either really against playing in Toronto (which seems unlikely since he would probably have hinted at this by now), or he's trying to get the best deal available from us.
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Kleiza is a gifted offensive player. I'd like him here
But Bynum is a brainless guy (he's in foul trouble at 99% of the games) and he's more injured than playing at the age of 22. He doesn't worth fillers!!! I wouldn't trade Speedy Claxton for him...
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I think what someone already said about the number of teams that actually have cap space is viable. Once those teams are gone, Marion will likely be offered no more than the MLE. The Thunder don't need him and Memphis and Detroit are pursuing other, younger players. I doubt any other team will offer him anything close to what we can give him.

Logically, he should sign with us. So he's either really against playing in Toronto (which seems unlikely since he would probably have hinted at this by now), or he's trying to get the best deal available from us.
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everyone who thought marion wanted to come back was clearly blind, you could always here in his voice that he was just playing out his season here and waiting for a contract somewhere else
and if he does come back it'll be only because his options elsewhere are even worse
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^As long as it doesn't affect his performance on the court I could careless. If tht's the only reason he came back.
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