Grange: Raptors have decided to opt for a rebuild
Old 12-05-2013, 07:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,933
Representing:
Raptors Grange: Raptors have decided to opt for a rebuild




Despite the weak East, Raptors opting for rebuild - Sportsnet.ca

Quote:
There has almost never been an easy time to be a Toronto Raptors fan, but buckle up: The worst could be coming.We don’t say this lightly.This is a franchise where every historic turn has been a blind hairpin, every high followed by a crashing low, and there have been many more lows than highs.

For every moment where it felt things might be coming together, there have been years when they’ve been splintering apart like Jorge Garbajosa’s leg after he tried to block that Al Jefferson layup in Boston late in the 2006–07 season.Yet some long cold winters are likely ahead as the Raptors teeter on the verge of a full-blown rebuild, but are hampered by circumstance.Not surprisingly there is no market across the NBA for Rudy Gay, the Raptors roster-choking quasi-franchise player, unless the Raptors want to take back an even longer and more toxic deal.

They are left hoping he refuses to pick up his $19-million option for next season, but are under no expectation he’ll leave that money on the table as his market value declines.Similarly, in an environment where perhaps 10 teams are angling for a favourable draft position, point guard Kyle Lowry and his expiring $6-million deal is getting only tepid interest for concern he might actually help a team to a handful of unwanted victories.So the players most likely to generate a return are the ones a prospering organization would normally like to keep around—guys like DeMar DeRozan and Amir Johnson. Is it worth moving them when they’re exactly the kind of players you’d like a prized incoming rookie to be surrounded by?DeRozan in particular is a player that might generate some interest, but that would mean the Raptors parting ways with a young and improving player just as he appears to be finding his game. Perfect.“It’s ugly right now,” said one longtime NBA executive.As the Raptors try to pick themselves up from the wreckage in Golden State where they frittered away a 27-point third-quarter lead and ended up losing 112-103—”We were hit by a three-point train,” Raptors head coach Dwane Casey said via text message. “We played as well as we could for three quarters and as bad as we can for the fourth”—there is an uncomfortable reality setting in around an organization that can no longer fool itself about what it might take to get out of the mess they’re in.And that reality is that it’s going to take time to make this right. A lot of time.Patience has been the message from Masai Ujiri since he took over as general manager. A team that is five years removed from a playoff spot doesn’t get fixed with the snap of a finger.

But the optimists in the crowd thought that might mean a quiet summer as he took time to assess exactly where the cracks were on the vessel put together by his predecessor Bryan Colangelo before he was pushed out by new MLSE president and chief executive Tim Leiweke.

As the season approached and patience was still the default setting the horizon shifted to perhaps 20 or 30 games into the season—surely by then whatever plan Ujiri had would kick into action: either a push to the playoffs or a great sell-off. Except as the first month of this season has shown and as a dreadful night like Tuesday’s emphasizes, the distant horizon of respectability may not be measured in weeks or months.The fact is the Raptors are landlocked—washed up on a beach like Gay’s whale of a contract and the tide isn’t coming any time soon.

The Raptors may not be positioned for competitive relevancy for years.This is what it feels like when your basketball team’s credit card bill is due and the line of credit is already maxed out. Raptors fans are used to it.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 08:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
If I ruled the world...

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Yes
Posts: 3,624
Representing:
Default

What are his sources? I welcome the news but question how he knows.
KoolAid is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 08:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,933
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KoolAid View Post
What are his sources? I welcome the news but question how he knows.
IMO Grange is probably the most credible guy around this team. Generally he is pretty reliable. That said he's been pushing for a tank job for months.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 08:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

ok great. Let the dismantling begin!
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 09:15 AM   #5 (permalink)
Exalted

Senior Member
 
DDUnreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,340
Representing:
Default

Finally ANOTHER rebuild. Obviously we need it, but
DDUnreal is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 09:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
is waiting for the season to start

Senior Member
 
Ex2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,223
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KoolAid View Post
What are his sources? I welcome the news but question how he knows.
+1

How does he know what MU is thinking? I don't think MU would be walking around the halls of ACC or the offices of MLSE thinking out loud.
Ex2k is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 09:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
taking you to school

Senior Member
 
ZanTheMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,347
Representing:
Default

Lol, this article tells us nothing. Absolutely nothing.
ZanTheMan is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 09:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Membres supérieurs
 
DocHoliday99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southern Alberta
Posts: 4,779
Representing:
Default

An assumption on my part would be accelerated trade exploration of Raptor starters - doesn't seem to be a secret. I would think internal moves like that would bare some resemblance to past teams that have tanked - something that a seasoned reporter/fan would pick up on.

Although really, the debacle of coaching and bad play culminating in the GSW humiliation - how can we not rebuild?

Last edited by DocHoliday99; 12-05-2013 at 09:47 AM.
DocHoliday99 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 10:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
LX
present minded

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 27,930
Representing:
Default

Let's not miss the point that there is no great dismantling that can be done. I really disliked the idea of tanking, because i wanted Rudy to have some value so that there could be some transition over the next two years, with good timely moves including a trade involving him. Now we appear stuck with him and unable to make good moves. Oh - and Ed has been looking really nice lately - so glad we sold high there. Bryan is lucky to be out of town at this point.
LX is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
believin' in Masai.

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 601
Representing:
Default

It's the coach. That's our last straw to grasp at.
Owned is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,492
Representing:
Default

If true, Masai missed the boat on this one. It's going to be very hard to accomplish now.
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
If true, Masai missed the boat on this one. It's going to be very hard to accomplish now.
why do you say that? Despite trying to win so far they find themselves with a pretty horrible record and are only a few games away from being at the very bottom.

Their start so far is comparable to that complete disaster of a start least year.

explain yourself.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,426
Representing:
Default

I really hope it's true..
LOG is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 12:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,492
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
why do you say that? Despite trying to win so far they find themselves with a pretty horrible record and are only a few games away from being at the very bottom.

Their start so far is comparable to that complete disaster of a start least year.

explain yourself.
just saying, Gay's value has dropped and it's clear he'll keep his 19M option..... also, it's not like others are playing above their heads, save for DD, who most are afraid to even discuss trading. So many teams are tanking, and the draft has so much hype, it's going to be difficult to get substantial value... at least more difficult than preseason in my opinion. Also, this team is likely the type that will keep battling and pick up useless wins against good teams playing poorly or resting players down the stretch.... just how it's been.
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 12:51 PM   #15 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
just saying, Gay's value has dropped and it's clear he'll keep his 19M option..... also, it's not like others are playing above their heads, save for DD, who most are afraid to even discuss trading. So many teams are tanking, and the draft has so much hype, it's going to be difficult to get substantial value... at least more difficult than preseason in my opinion. Also, this team is likely the type that will keep battling and pick up useless wins against good teams playing poorly or resting players down the stretch.... just how it's been.
demar is the first player i would look to trade. Followed by Lowry.

Make this Rudy's team and make him earn his 19 million.

i could see there being some takers for rudy closer to the deadline.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 12:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
likes the consistency in the colangelo built raptors

Senior Member
 
rapsmannn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,437
Representing:
Default

i would much rather watch Jonas and ross develop over watching this team go .500, especially if we get good draft position,

watching one of wiggins, parker, smart, exum, and randle develop would be better than going .500
rapsmannn is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 01:02 PM   #17 (permalink)
a Raps fan

Senior Member
 
creative1mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mississauga
Posts: 1,336
Representing:
Default

Quote:
i would much rather watch Jonas and ross develop over watching this team go .500, especially if we get good draft position,

watching one of wiggins, parker, smart, exum, and randle develop would be better than going .500
Exactly.. it's like when Vince came on the team and was with T-Mac, we didn't make the playoffs their first year together, but you knew once they matured and a few minor tweaks were made that they would be good

are team now has no ceiling
creative1mm is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 01:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
LX
present minded

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 27,930
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
demar is the first player i would look to trade. Followed by Lowry.

Make this Rudy's team and make him earn his 19 million.

i could see there being some takers for rudy closer to the deadline.
Takers for Rudy? It's just hard to imagine if they have seen him play. I still say his shoulder is not and will not be right. And Granger will be out there for the taking. This team could be years away yet from being able to just start the rebuild for real.
LX is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 01:08 PM   #19 (permalink)
On T-Ross Flight 31

Senior Member
 
Ataf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Catharines
Posts: 1,723
Representing:
Send a message via Skype™ to Ataf
Default

I hope this is true. I feel bad for the players if it is though.... Especially DD, hopefully he goes to a good team
Ataf is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 01:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
the boss

Senior Member
 
DonMughal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mississauga
Posts: 4,168
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rapsmannn View Post
i would much rather watch Jonas and ross develop over watching this team go .500, especially if we get good draft position,

watching one of wiggins, parker, smart, exum, and randle develop would be better than going .500
Agreed. Barely anyone would take .500 over Jonas/Ross/top 5 pick.
DonMughal is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24