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Old 12-05-2013, 01:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I hope this is true. I feel bad for the players if it is though.... Especially DD, hopefully he goes to a good team
why would anyone feel bad for DD? For the last four years it's not like he was doing all that much to elevate the fortunes of this team. He's a young player finally beginning to show a fraction of the potential he's been hyped with after years of being spoonfed minutes and opportunity. He makes millions, why feel bad for that?
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I'm not understanding the hopes as they pertain to this piece. The team is landlocked and may not be relevant for many years to come. It's a pretty bleak picture that suggests there is not a lot of light to be seen, no matter what may be decided.

I think some of you guys are not looking beyond a poorly chosen headline. Grange in fact says they are teetering on the verge of a total rebuild that can only be hampered. There just isn't a lot of hope in that. It's not about him knowing some kind of inside information, it's about him painting a bleak but accurate representation of the situation faced by this team.
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Takers for Rudy? It's just hard to imagine if they have seen him play. I still say his shoulder is not and will not be right. And Granger will be out there for the taking. This team could be years away yet from being able to just start the rebuild for real.
someone will get desperate as the season goes on. It happens every year.
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why would anyone feel bad for DD? For the last four years it's not like he was doing all that much to elevate the fortunes of this team. He's a young player finally beginning to show a fraction of the potential he's been hyped with after years of being spoonfed minutes and opportunity. He makes millions, why feel bad for that?
A fraction of the potential he's been hyped with? What the fuck is this hype you speak of? If he has only realized a fraction of it then there were some deluded people out there. Please offer some evidence of such stupidity, because it feels like you're just pulling that from way up in your ass, like somewhere around your appendix.

Please say you don't have an appendix so we can know for certain that you are really Bargnani.
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I'm not understanding the hopes as they pertain to this piece. The team is landlocked and may not be relevant for many years to come. It's a pretty bleak picture that suggests there is not a lot of light to be seen, no matter what may be decided.

I think some of you guys are not looking beyond a poorly chosen headline. Grange in fact says they are teetering on the verge of a total rebuild that can only be hampered. There just isn't a lot of hope in that. It's not about him knowing some kind of inside information, it's about him painting a bleak but accurate representation of the situation faced by this team.
Them teetering on the edge of a total rebuild has been obvious for a couple years now. That reality is nothing new, so does nothing to impact my hopes for the team. The following, on the other hand?

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But the Raptors arenít fooled by the easy lure of a playoff spot. If anything, that would complicate matters. A playoff spot would create the temptation or expectation to re-sign Lowry or extend Gay, not to mention yield a mid-to-late first-round pick in a season when the Raptors desperately need and want to be in the lottery.
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Playoffs or bust isnít the mantra. The goal is a long-term solution to years of on-court woes. There is an awareness that there is no quick fix. That clarity is perhaps the only thing Raptors fans will have to cheer about for some time to come.
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someone will get desperate as the season goes on. It happens every year.
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someone will get desperate as the season goes on. It happens every year.
I do not recall any year that a team offered any kind of value for a selfish max player shooting historically badly and turning the ball over in a comical fashion repeatedly every game. Let alone when there is a choice with a player that could very well prove effective.
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why would anyone feel bad for DD? For the last four years it's not like he was doing all that much to elevate the fortunes of this team. He's a young player finally beginning to show a fraction of the potential he's been hyped with after years of being spoonfed minutes and opportunity. He makes millions, why feel bad for that?
Money doesn't (always) bring happiness... I honestly could care less what amount of money he makes. Just cause he's rich doesn't mean it's like he's not human anymore.. Jesus.

"he was doing all that much to elevate the fortunes of this team." lol you must be still watching his rookie season... Didn't you love bargs?
He always wanted to win and always improved. He's what? Two years older or less then the final college year age? Sorry if he's not Kobe and didn't start dominating right away.

And sorry if I feel bad for a player on my team who showed nothing but loyalty, practically advertises Toronto as a great city, works harder than anyone on this team, and wanted the best for this franchise. - I'll save the rest for the appreciation thread, if he does indeed get traded -
YEA FUCK U DD FOR TRYING SO HARD. I feel bad for him, same way I feel bad for Amir, Jose, Davis, etc.
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All they need is a coach, and performance standards on the court for which all players will be held accountable.

The on-court politics were paramount to the culture esablished by Collangelo, and we appear to still be following them....possibly to save the value in players we want to be rid of such as Rudy.

Ditch the politics, hire a new coach, anything is possible. As a fan, expectations need to be lower than a championship.
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Them teetering on the edge of a total rebuild has been obvious for a couple years now. That reality is nothing new, so does nothing to impact my hopes for the team. The following, on the other hand?





Plenty to be hopeful about.
If the clarity we are speaking of were regarding on-court performance, then i could see reason for hoping. Without that it's counting chickens way before they are hatched. Playoffs or bust might not be the mantra, but they could still get there, or not far off, by default. Rudy Gay really fucked things up. Just because they won't extend him doesn't mean that is lessened. The damage has and will be done. Him getting extended as a result of having some value would not have been horrible. It would have put all kinds of possible moves into play. Now we just get to ride out the ugliness before real hope comes into play. I'm getting a little too old, and a little too wary of everything Toronto for that. I'm really starting to wonder how i could fall for a Toronto team after laughing at Toronto teams for most of my life.
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Money doesn't (always) bring happiness... I honestly could care less what amount of money he makes. Just cause he's rich doesn't mean it's like he's not human anymore.. Jesus.

"he was doing all that much to elevate the fortunes of this team." lol you must be still watching his rookie season... Didn't you love bargs?
He always wanted to win and always improved. He's what? Two years older or less then the final college year age? Sorry if he's not Kobe and didn't start dominating right away.

And sorry if I feel bad for a player on my team who showed nothing but loyalty, practically advertises Toronto as a great city, works harder than anyone on this team, and wanted the best for this franchise. - I'll save the rest for the appreciation thread, if he does indeed get traded -
YEA FUCK U DD FOR TRYING SO HARD. I feel bad for him, same way I feel bad for Amir, Jose, Davis, etc.
I can appreciate this view point, thanks for explaining.... but still disagree that he's done enough to warrant feeling terrible for. If he's unhappy about teammates playing below potential, he only needs to look back to last year for himself. I do see your points, and they make plenty of sense too.
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I do not recall any year that a team offered any kind of value for a selfish max player shooting historically badly and turning the ball over in a comical fashion repeatedly every game. Let alone when there is a choice with a player that could very well prove effective.
i don't expect value or positive returns. all one would expect would that he be unloaded somewhere at pretty much whatever the cost. He may be a stupid player, but he's not a bad player. He has more skill and ability than many players in the league, but he just missuses them. the right coach and the right role might make him serviceable. That's what we have to bank on i guess.

Point being this team is going nowhere fast as they are currently constructed. Tearing it down and starting over makes sense especially with the talent waiting in this upcoming draft. Me... i can see everyone kicking themselves for not at the very least trying to land a high pick. You seem to paint a picture of gloom and negativity at the current state of things, but you are against the idea of a full on rebuild. What do you think is good way to go about this season and the short term future?
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A fraction of the potential he's been hyped with? What the fuck is this hype you speak of? If he has only realized a fraction of it then there were some deluded people out there. Please offer some evidence of such stupidity, because it feels like you're just pulling that from way up in your ass, like somewhere around your appendix.

Please say you don't have an appendix so we can know for certain that you are really Bargnani.
What the fuck is your problem? Are you seriously unable to respond to someone without being a douchebag? And you're a moderator? Seriously.

The potential? You don't remember him being likened to Vince Carter? You don't remember franchise player talk? You don't remember all-star discussion for the last three years? His defense is atrocious for such an alleged physical specimen that he's been hyped to be at times. Yeah, a fraction, cause right now he's just a very good scoring guard.

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The on-court politics were paramount to the culture esablished by Collangelo, and we appear to still be following them....possibly to save the value in players we want to be rid of such as Rudy.

Ditch the politics, hire a new coach, anything is possible. As a fan, expectations need to be lower than a championship.
i'm not oppose to this. But if this is what ujiri wants to do the time to act would have been yesterday.
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I can appreciate this view point, thanks for explaining.... but still disagree that he's done enough to warrant feeling terrible for. If he's unhappy about teammates playing below potential, he only needs to look back to last year for himself. I do see your points, and they make plenty of sense too.
He wasn't playing terrible last year :S He improved, but had to play with Lowry and bargs... Not as bad as Gay has this year, not even close. Same with JV and Amir. Only people from last year who came in visibly better so far are DD and Lowry. Nd DD is always on the list for who's gotten better. Can't really say that about any player on this team since he got drafted. Maybe Ross, I guess Lowry? but still waiting for HOU lowry? Or is this HOU Lowry atm?
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Carp - you're post was wack and needed be called out. It's your same old song and dance. Stop crying.
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A fraction of the potential he's been hyped with? What the fuck is this hype you speak of? If he has only realized a fraction of it then there were some deluded people out there. Please offer some evidence of such stupidity, because it feels like you're just pulling that from way up in your ass, like somewhere around your appendix.

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