Grange: Raptors Close to Signing Marion (Update Pg. 3)

Windex · 07-03-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

And we'll stand a chance against Boston, Cleveland, or Orlando? Heck no!
Even with that said we can easily not even make the playoffs, now how sad would that be?

this is a playoff team, injuries separate the teams, that's why BC is trying to bolster the bench

in the playoffs, anything can happen

rodstriker · 07-03-2009, 05:59 PM

We can't blow our future signing Marion. He's a heck of a player, but we can't make a mistake by signing him 34M through 4 seasons. That's about 7/8/9/10

To much to a 35-year guy that plays based on his physical

I'd go with 22M for 3 years. Marion has no options

rodstriker · 07-03-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Windex

this is a playoff team, injuries separate the teams, that's why BC is trying to bolster the bench

in the playoffs, anything can happen

Sure. We don't even know what will happen to Bosh. Maybe we can get a nice swap and play some good basketball. What if Bargnani puts up 22/9/3/2 every night?

Windex · 07-03-2009, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodstriker

We can't blow our future signing Marion. He's a heck of a player, but we can't make a mistake by signing him 34M through 4 seasons. That's about 7/8/9/10

To much to a 35-year guy that plays based on his physical

I'd go with 22M for 3 years. Marion has no options

expiring contract
if he plays at a high level for at least 2 years and his production slips he can become trade bait
who knows what happens in a couple years, maybe we have a SF in waiting

i would rather pay Marion 4/32 than Hedo 5/50-60

Rimpianto · 07-03-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodstriker

We can't blow our future signing Marion. He's a heck of a player, but we can't make a mistake by signing him 34M through 4 seasons. That's about 7/8/9/10

To much to a 35-year guy that plays based on his physical

I'd go with 22M for 3 years. Marion has no options

I still remember a guy, All-Defensive First Team and led the NBA in rebounds per game when he was 35-year. Oh, and the same when he was 36 and 37. And being an undersized PF. And with the worse shot-% ever. Winning 3 rings.
So a miracle can happens.

rodstriker · 07-03-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

expiring contract
if he plays at a high level for at least 2 years and his production slips he can become trade bait
who knows what happens in a couple years, maybe we have a SF in waiting

i would rather pay Marion 4/32 than Hedo 5/50-60

So do I. But that's still way too much money!

rodstriker · 07-03-2009, 06:38 PM

I want him. I love him as a player! But we can't pay him that much. We're almost forgetting that we could find a nice vet to back up PG with this difference.

Windex · 07-03-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rodstriker

So do I. But that's still way too much money!

how much would you give him?
if you say 7mil per year thats not really different
realize that $6mil per is the MLE then he could sign anywhere

Kuzzy · 07-03-2009, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex

this is a playoff team, injuries separate the teams, that's why BC is trying to bolster the bench

in the playoffs, anything can happen

anything can happen? if your talking about a championship cut the crap
this isnt the NHL
8th place teams only go so far
The west and east are getting so powerful. Just look at the lakers,spurs,cavs,and celtics. We can't put a match up with any of those teams! Heck we cant put a match up with orlando, even if they dont have carter

tvett6 · 07-03-2009, 06:50 PM

Last 13 games Marion averaged 16.2 points per game
9.4 rebounds
2.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.0 blocks
All the while shooting 53%

Don't see how anyone thinks he's a washed up retread and that $8 mill a season is too much. It's fair price and a tradeable asset. Most importantly it opens up all kinds of opportunities for us capwise. There really was no other alternative capwise.

Kuzzy · 07-03-2009, 06:53 PM

8 millions a good price but 4 years is not.
Last 13 games?
against the bobcats and bulls right

**•LX•** · 07-03-2009, 06:59 PM

The Celtics? Ray Allen is on the decline. Pierce might start heading that way. There's no way to tell what KG might be able to do in recovering, and they have no depth.

Orlando is going backwards not forwards.

The Cavs aren't even a sure thing. Nobody knows how it will work with Shaq. I think it will work, but it might not.

I think the Raptors can do much better than 8. If they can 4 or 5 then they can easily have playoff success. 6 might even work out. Why trash the season on July 3? That's nuts.

I thought last season would work out great and the opposite happened. There's always more than one way for seasons to play out. I want to see the franchise as a whole get to the point where they can sustain a winning approach year to year unless the worst happens. There has to be vets for that. There has to be a commitment on both ends of the court. And there has to be players pushing each other. It's not beyond reason to see them finding that in some form this season to at least lay a foundation that might be able to last for a while. And that is the first step to reaching the top. It's a tough step to take, but there's no point in saying it's just impossible.

**halphbreedballer** · 07-03-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuzzy

one of the smartest players in the league? His IQ can be 150 for all I care, when his hops are gone so is the rest of his game. The guy has no jumpshot and can't break down defenders. I say 1 or 2 seasons left and no more.

What I would like to see is...
Phoenix recieve Marion + Banks
For J Richardson
I dont love J richardson but this would make next years playoffs even more interesting.
After making that trade Phoenix should trade ben wallace for Chandler, which was recently rumored.
Then
Nash
Pavlovic
Marion
Stoudamire
Chandler
6th: Barbosa

imo Marion was a failed experiment and we need to move on.. even though everyone else thinks differently and LOVES shawn

I'm just not feelin JRich anymore he did pretty much nothin playing beside Steve Nash with out Amare....I just don't think his knees are good anymore too many injuries...He is definatly not the player he was 3 years ago. (At his age he should be getting better not worse)

At this point I would have to say JRich < Marion even 2 years from now.

rodstriker · 07-03-2009, 07:18 PM

J-Rich is an offensive player. No way. And I'm sure PHX won't get back the duo they traded 2 seasons ago

The east is not powerful! The west makes me shit myself

But the east is not difficult. Orlando proved it going to the finals starting an average rookie and rafer alston...

If Bosh plays big basektball and Raptors improve defense (delfino and Evans should help a lot) we could fight for the 4th seed and think about ECF

**•LX•** · 07-03-2009, 07:29 PM

Yep. A Raptors team with improved defense and more toughness in the middle is not all that different from a jump-shooting Orlando team.

jeffb · 07-03-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvett6

Last 13 games Marion averaged 16.2 points per game
9.4 rebounds
2.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.0 blocks
All the while shooting 53%

Don't see how anyone thinks he's a washed up retread and that $8 mill a season is too much. It's fair price and a tradeable asset. Most importantly it opens up all kinds of opportunities for us capwise. There really was no other alternative capwise.

I know, you don't hear many say Turkoglu is too old or washed up.And they're the same age.

jeffb · 07-03-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuzzy

8 millions a good price but 4 years is not.
Last 13 games?
against the bobcats and bulls right

Big deal. You kepp him 3yrs and if it isn't working out you trade an expiring contract. The last year of a contract is a wash imo, especially for a manageable contract of 8Mil and in a much better financial climate by then.

jeffb · 07-03-2009, 07:47 PM

Sick ass Dunk...just ignore the green jersey.

YouTube - Shawn Marion With the Monster Slam

Admiral · 07-03-2009, 08:06 PM

well considering all the teams with money are signing other players, it only leaves the Raptors with decent money for marion to go to, he just better not be coming back because there are no other choices, that usually doesn't work well in the end

xI_kaptain_Ix · 07-03-2009, 08:07 PM

i spend 8 million a year on getting my hair cut, i'd be mad with 8 mil, that's definitely bullshit

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07-03-2009, 05:59 PM	#82 (permalink)
rodstriker is fucking mad with people overrating Calderon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 336 Representing:	We can't blow our future signing Marion. He's a heck of a player, but we can't make a mistake by signing him 34M through 4 seasons. That's about 7/8/9/10 To much to a 35-year guy that plays based on his physical I'd go with 22M for 3 years. Marion has no options

07-03-2009, 06:38 PM	#87 (permalink)
rodstriker is fucking mad with people overrating Calderon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 336 Representing:	I want him. I love him as a player! But we can't pay him that much. We're almost forgetting that we could find a nice vet to back up PG with this difference.

07-03-2009, 06:50 PM	#90 (permalink)
tvett6 is A Celtic-Red Sox hater! Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 395 Representing:	Last 13 games Marion averaged 16.2 points per game 9.4 rebounds 2.2 assists 1.3 steals 1.0 blocks All the while shooting 53% Don't see how anyone thinks he's a washed up retread and that $8 mill a season is too much. It's fair price and a tradeable asset. Most importantly it opens up all kinds of opportunities for us capwise. There really was no other alternative capwise.

07-03-2009, 06:53 PM	#91 (permalink)
Kuzzy is a disappointed raptors fan. Say NO to J.O ! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 1,597 Representing:	8 millions a good price but 4 years is not. Last 13 games? against the bobcats and bulls right

07-03-2009, 06:59 PM	#92 (permalink)
•LX• is doing the laundry in his mind, and pocketing all the change he finds In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,139 Representing:	The Celtics? Ray Allen is on the decline. Pierce might start heading that way. There's no way to tell what KG might be able to do in recovering, and they have no depth. Orlando is going backwards not forwards. The Cavs aren't even a sure thing. Nobody knows how it will work with Shaq. I think it will work, but it might not. I think the Raptors can do much better than 8. If they can 4 or 5 then they can easily have playoff success. 6 might even work out. Why trash the season on July 3? That's nuts. I thought last season would work out great and the opposite happened. There's always more than one way for seasons to play out. I want to see the franchise as a whole get to the point where they can sustain a winning approach year to year unless the worst happens. There has to be vets for that. There has to be a commitment on both ends of the court. And there has to be players pushing each other. It's not beyond reason to see them finding that in some form this season to at least lay a foundation that might be able to last for a while. And that is the first step to reaching the top. It's a tough step to take, but there's no point in saying it's just impossible.

07-03-2009, 07:18 PM	#94 (permalink)
rodstriker is fucking mad with people overrating Calderon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 336 Representing:	J-Rich is an offensive player. No way. And I'm sure PHX won't get back the duo they traded 2 seasons ago The east is not powerful! The west makes me shit myself But the east is not difficult. Orlando proved it going to the finals starting an average rookie and rafer alston... If Bosh plays big basektball and Raptors improve defense (delfino and Evans should help a lot) we could fight for the 4th seed and think about ECF

07-03-2009, 07:29 PM	#95 (permalink)
•LX• is doing the laundry in his mind, and pocketing all the change he finds In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,139 Representing:	Yep. A Raptors team with improved defense and more toughness in the middle is not all that different from a jump-shooting Orlando team.

07-03-2009, 08:06 PM	#99 (permalink)
Admiral is Sick, Wicked, and Nasty! Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 728 Representing:	well considering all the teams with money are signing other players, it only leaves the Raptors with decent money for marion to go to, he just better not be coming back because there are no other choices, that usually doesn't work well in the end

07-03-2009, 08:07 PM	#100 (permalink)
xI_kaptain_Ix is an A7X fan. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: T-Ronto Posts: 140 Representing:	i spend 8 million a year on getting my hair cut, i'd be mad with 8 mil, that's definitely bullshit