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Old 07-07-2008, 06:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh please, the 4 teams that really improved in the East, and might make a little bit of a difference are Philly, Chicago, Miami, and Toronto. I would say Minnesota for picking up Mayo but I don't think he'd be that much of an impact.
Oooooook.

Just curious, where did Minnesota finish in the East last year?

And Memphis isn't going to be happy when they find out Minnesota still has Mayo.
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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And in seriousness now...

Explain to me how Milwaukee hasn't improved to playoff contention level.

The East is tight next year. The only teams who don't have a shot at the playoffs, in my opinion, are Indiana and New York.

Anything can happen to Toronto. You assume (correctly, in my opinion, but an assumption nonetheless) that Jermaine automatically makes the Raps better. But what if he doesn't? What if Jose regresses in the starting role? What if Roko can't handle the backup role? What if our bench is weak and our second unit gets eaten up?

There are enough question marks that there is no guarantee Toronto moves up in the standings. As I said the first time, he's absolutely right no suggest Toronto could be fighting at the bottom, but his mistake was to give no indication that they could be fighting near the top as well.

The East, as a whole, is much tighter. There will be plenty of teams (all except Indy and NY) starting the season with the playoffs on their mind. Given that SO much can happen in the next 10 months, Grange's prediction is as good as anyones.
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well we'll just have to wait and see right? All i'm saying is that we will be 5-6th this year. Boston, Detroit, Philly already take first 3. And I doubt we'll follow up behind them easily. 5th-6th.
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Dude, you are making statements here that call your NBA knowledge into question.

Minnesota is very much in the West.

OJ Mayo is very much a Memphis Grizzly.

And how in the hell do you figure Philly has a guaranteed top 3 spot? They have yet to do anything in the off season, yet you've got them making a 12 game jump? Ahead of Orlando and Cleveland?
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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philly at 3 i dont think so.
wow that is amazing how can you even think that sure they played well at the seasons end but come on if all the other EC teams are improving and philly did nothing so far ho do expect them to be number 3
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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everything is possible, the only certainty is that grange has a major problem with this trade that is not basketball related. Any objective article would have looked at this from both sides, sure you can miss the playoffs - anybody can. If Howard goes down for 30 games with a significant injury, Orlando have zero chances the way they are constructed. I would argue that in our current situation, we would still have a chance regardless of who misses 30 games.

But at the very least you should try to explore the other half. What if O'Neal recovers well? He's a 29 year (basically in his prime) MVP calibre center who is a perfect fit for us. How can we not be significantly better in this scenario is beyond me.

Anything is possible, true - but the odds are that we will be dramatically better, in which case we will not battle for the 8th spot, but for the first.
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:31 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Wait, wait, wait, did I read Milwaukee is a playoff team?

They have two nice wing players but Mo Williams is FA and if he doesn't resign who runs that team? And who plays PF? Charlie? Who backs him up?

That team has alot of holes still to fill.
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:32 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Everyone and their dog seems to have an opinion on Toronto's chances with their new lineup, but its waay too early to say if the changes to the team will make us contenders or bottom-rungers.

Grange does seem to be looking from one point of view only (that the O'Neal trade was a mistake) and not giving Toronto much of a chance.

I personally think that with a clear-cut starting PG, all-star caliber center to guard Superman, improvement of our franchise player and the overall reduction in drama regarding who is the pg will really help the chemistry kick in.

The best thing we can do with these so-called "experts" is just take down names and shove their words in their face if they turn out to be wrong later in the season
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:17 AM   #29 (permalink)
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While it's certainly a possibility that things fail for us (everything's a possibility, especially with injury concerns), I don't see the logic that says adding JO would actually make us worse. We're giving up a PG who did nothing but kill our chemistry and hurt our team, for a guy who helps our defense and rebounding in a big way.

Anybody putting that much stock in Ford's additions to the team last year is kind of out of their mind
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:40 AM   #30 (permalink)
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It's all on Calderon and ONeal.

if they flop, the team does.

if they excel, so too shall the team.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:52 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Wait, wait, wait, did I read Milwaukee is a playoff team?

They have two nice wing players but Mo Williams is FA and if he doesn't resign who runs that team? And who plays PF? Charlie? Who backs him up?

That team has alot of holes still to fill.
Mo isn't a free agent. They resigned him last summer.

Charlie does indeed play 4 for them i'd guess, and his backup is their primary weakness, although I'm confident that Joe Alexander can switch between forward spots.

Considering Alexander a 4, they're two deep at every position and have an average or better NBA starter at every position.

They've got two top 20 scorers on the wing, a very competent centre who has shown flashes of excellence, and a point guard who can score the ball and get everyone else involved.

That's a playoff team to me.
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