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Old 07-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
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1) He's a former 2-time MVP who still has something left in the tank.

2) He's one of the game's most dominant PGs who's proven that he can elevate a team's play.

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We already passed on Drummond because we "didn't want to wait for him to develop".... so why WOULDN'T we try to grab Nash is we're all about winning games now?
He's 39 years old. He can't play in a system where he's required to play D or without a bunch of 3 point shooters. Go look at what happened when Terry Porter, a defense oriented guy coached the Suns. Nash's worst season as a Sun and ultimately got Porter fired.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:51 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Are you kidding? Who here other than a couple say any positive shit about this team?
I meant to say Toronto has the worst group of guys at the moment than any of the other teams chasing Nash. you are right, NY might be an early round exit from the playoffs, but dont tell me Nash wouldn't be having a blast playing on that team. Raptors on the other hand probably be labouring for the whole game
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I meant to say Toronto has the worst group of guys at the moment than any of the other teams chasing Nash. you are right, NY might be an early round exit from the playoffs, but dont tell me Nash wouldn't be having a blast playing on that team. Raptors on the other hand probably be labouring for the whole game
You seriously think that we don't make the playoffs (5-6 range) with Nash and a solid SF addition? And Fields isn't that SF.
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No take a chill pill, you'll be thrilled to know we still suck. But NY is caped out for the next couple years and the mix there is awful, they'll be a playoff team no doubt but it's not like they're championship contenders. Ypu telling me that he's going there, taking less money so that he can win an extra round in the playoffs. And if he really wanted to win a championship he'd go to Miami for less money and actually you know......win a championship. The reason he wants NY imo is that he loves the city and already lives there.
well of course he loves the city, but it's not the only reason Jeff. NY on the court is still more appealing to him and he stands to do better there than he does here. Without a doubt. miami has no money to offer him, so their out of the equation and not even worth bringing up. Life isn't just black or white. If NY was in a rebuilding state, then i bet Nash wouldn't consider them. However, their team is actually pretty good.

I just got a kick out of your 'NY have only won one playoff game' statement so why would he go there? This coming from craptor nation.... like dude our team sucks. Yet most fans, yourself included, are still holding out hope that Nash signs here. Based on that, why would he?
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:54 AM   #65 (permalink)
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BC is under a lot of "win right now" pressure from ownership so we are stuck in this Nash/Fields bullshit. Oh Craptors.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:55 AM   #66 (permalink)
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I hope he gets booed just like every other star athlete that played here. He used the city as leverage to seek better offers elsewhere. He knows he's not signing here, yet he's using us to get max money. His agent probably went around spreading our offer around to other teams to get them to match it.
Agreed. Colangelo has been utter garbage in the last few seasons, wouldn't surprise me if he threw that offer just to help out his boy Nash.

If at all Nash does sign here, his work ethic and attitude will be questionable seeing as he's doing his best not to come here. And what about our wonderful pro-hockey media that'll throw 'Kid Canada' under the bus once the losses start piling up?
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:56 AM   #67 (permalink)
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You seriously think that we don't make the playoffs (5-6 range) with Nash and a solid SF addition? And Fields isn't that SF.
I really hope we do, trust me I love the Raps even when they were horrible. But in Nash's eyes or for anyone's eyes for that matter outside of someone that loves the team as much as we do, Raps SUCK
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #68 (permalink)
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He's 39 years old. He can't play in a system where he's required to play D or without a bunch of 3 point shooters. Go look at what happened when Terry Porter, a defense oriented guy coached the Suns. Nash's worst season as a Sun and ultimately got Porter fired.
That was also the season that they had Shaq.... who didn't mesh with Nash at all because he took away all of his space to dribble through the lane.

We have Bargs... who would be a P & R dream for Nash to play with. He almost made Channing Frye and Chris Dudley look like all-stars lol... what do you think he'd do with shooting talent like that at the 4/5 spot?
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well of course he loves the city, but it's not the only reason Jeff. NY on the court is still more appealing to him and he stands to do better there than he does here. Without a doubt. miami has no money to offer him, so their out of the equation and not even worth bringing up.
Miami is offering him the exact same money as NYK (3mil). Which is why NY is trying to aquire him via S&T. Otherwise they have no chance. I would say that Miami could try to do the same, but he doesn't really want to be there and also they're in no hurry to add a PG after winning the championship. If he tells them he really wants to be there badly if they can do a S&T to get him a little more money, would they?
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That was also the season that they had Shaq.... who didn't mesh with Nash at all because he took away all of his space to dribble through the lane.

We have Bargs... who would be a P & R dream for Nash to play with. He almost made Channing Frye and Chris Dudley look like all-stars lol... what do you think he'd do with shooting talent like that at the 4/5 spot?
Thats one thing i'm worried about, Nash comes here and plays amazing and gets everyone around him better. By the time that we get comfortable enough to really make noise, Nash would retire. When that happens, we are left with bayless and prob another up and comer, putting us three steps back again. I understand the whole winning atittude thing, but I am seriously worried about the team getting comfortable relying on someone that will retire soon
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If I'm Nash I look at our roster and see:

A 7 foot power forward who has an average of 4.9 rebounds in his career.
A starting SG who can't shoot.
A mysterious Lithuanian whose never played a single NBA game.
And a whole lot of inexperience and growing pains to come.

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Miami is offering him the exact same money as NYK (3mil). Which is why NY is trying to aquire him via S&T. Otherwise they have no chance. I would say that Miami could try to do the same, but he doesn't really want to be there and also they're in no hurry to add a PG after winning the championship. If he tells them he really wants to be there badly if they can do a S&T to get him a little more money, would they?
probably not seeing as they just won the championship. Why would they do a big restructuring of their team?

Miami don't need a big time pointguard. they're fine the way they are.
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probably not seeing as they just won the championship. Why would they do a big restructuring of their team?
One player is a major reconstructing? It's big and i agree they probably don't have the stomach for but it's as much because Nash doesn't want to be there than anything else.
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they'd be giving up more than one player to make way for steve nash.
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they'd be giving up more than one player to make way for steve nash.
Probaby, but proably worth it. Although i just don't know how effecting a ball dominant PG would be in Miami. It actually makes no sense all around when you really look at it.
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OKC would be a better fit for Nash than MIA would.

That team would be scary good with him at the helm. They'd prob have to let Harden go to do it but maybe it'd be worth it....
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Probaby, but proably worth it. Although i just don't know how effecting a ball dominant PG would be in Miami. It actually makes no sense all around when you really look at it.
Agreed. Lebron and Wade are effective enough. Not enough ball with Nash in the equation.
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they'd be giving up more than one player to make way for steve nash.
Mario and Miller?
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OKC would be a better fit for Nash than MIA would.

That team would be scary good with him at the helm. They'd prob have to let Harden go to do it but maybe it'd be worth it....
Giving up and young and promising player for Nash whose going to retire in 2 years?
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trading harden for rent-a-nash would be suicide for a GM. come on TO, that's BAD.
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