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Old 07-04-2012, 03:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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His first choice is New York (if a sign and trade can be worked out) or he will go to the Mavericks on a 2 year deal
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:37 AM   #22 (permalink)
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We put the best offer on the table and it's been close to 3 days now. Let's face it.....he's not coming here.
Agreed but there is still a small chance he may sign with TO.

BC needs to get busy, amnesty Calderon and bring in another attractive piece via trade/sign that Nash could play with.

On one end you have a top 5 scorer in Melo & old friend/teammate in Stoudemire, On another end you have best friend Nowitzki, On another end yoi have top 5 player/closer in Kobe,plus interior studs Bynum & Gasol.....Then you have Bargnani, a poor man's Nowitzki and Derozan. Can't blame him for not wanting to play in Toronto with the current Raptors roster.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:23 AM   #23 (permalink)
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On one end you have a top 5 scorer in Melo & old friend/teammate in Stoudemire, On another end you have best friend Nowitzki, On another end yoi have top 5 player/closer in Kobe,plus interior studs Bynum & Gasol.....Then you have Bargnani, a poor man's Nowitzki and Derozan. Can't blame him for not wanting to play in Toronto with the current Raptors roster.
don't forget that he lives in NYC. That's probably the biggest reason why he wants to go there.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:31 AM   #24 (permalink)
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How would you feel if your Nash and you really wanted to go to NY and play with your buddy Amare but someone like BC comes along and takes away their flexibility so you wouldn't get what you want as a free agent?
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:47 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The more I think about the Gretzky video the more I find it ludicrous. Nash is supposed to be an ambassaor of the game up here like Gretzky was for hockey down there? How does that poor logic do anything to motivate Nash to sign here? There's just no equating the two situations.

Ultimately the timing is just off a bit. Nash is still too good to just play out his career with less certainty about how he will be used and whether or not he can win with this team. If he was showing some decline he could have been offered less and he could sail into the sunset here in a lesser role. At the same time this team hasn't come together enough to make it work for Nash. The heavy lifting is supposed to happen over the next year or two, and how is he supposed to guess at what that means for him or if it even gets done?
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:21 AM   #26 (permalink)
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2 pg that shoot 3's and fts at a high %. Both pass well but aren't the best defenders
One is 39yrs 3/30+ and is reluctant to come play even though he's been treated much better than any team out there and would tie up cap space that could be used to sign better and younger fa's down the line.
The other much younger 1/10 and loves the town and would prolly re-sign on the cheap even though we treat him like crap and try to trade him at every opportunity.
Hmmm ... I'd tell one of them to go eff himself
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:41 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Ultimately the timing is just off a bit. Nash is still too good to just play out his career with less certainty about how he will be used and whether or not he can win with this team. If he was showing some decline he could have been offered less and he could sail into the sunset here in a lesser role. At the same time this team hasn't come together enough to make it work for Nash. The heavy lifting is supposed to happen over the next year or two, and how is he supposed to guess at what that means for him or if it even gets done?
timing is way off.

We're a terrible option for him from a basketball point of view, and to tell the truth he isn't much of a fit for us either.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:49 AM   #28 (permalink)
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timing is way off.

We're a terrible option for him from a basketball point of view, and to tell the truth he isn't much of a fit for us either.
I tend to agree... It's a win,win in my eyes!

If he comes,the Raps will enjoy a good season or two with him.

If not then they can move on either during this off season or at the next draft and off season.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:57 AM   #29 (permalink)
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At Nash's age he's going in investigate all options thoroughly before making a decision. That's called learning. Grange is reaching for topics here.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:11 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I tend to agree... It's a win,win in my eyes!

If he comes,the Raps will enjoy a good season or two with him.

If not then they can move on either during this off season or at the next draft and off season.
i see it more like lose, lose.

He comes here, and we're decent for 1 maybe 2 years. by decent, maybe we squeek into the playoffs.

He doesn't come here, and we've added an overpaid Landry Fields for the wrong reasons, rest of roster is still unbalanced and sucky with a glaring need for a star type player. maybe we throw up some mishmash type trades like in the past to see which one sticks to the wall. great success colangelo!
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:16 AM   #31 (permalink)
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this is a whole lot of speculation put into an article. gross writing. ugh.
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Agreed. Horribly written, all about conjecture.

This is just an article for the sake of writing an article. Who knows what Nash is going to do, but he does NOT need to rush his decision for anybody. He knows that this is his last team, and his last free agency. He's evaluating all of his options and I don't blame him.
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Just Grange's opinon I guess.
when an article starts with 'emerging possibilty' it becomes nothing more than pure conjecture.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:49 AM   #32 (permalink)
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My own opinion, NY was always Nash's first choice, he lives there and is comfortable with it. Remember he even said he was ready to sign within 24 hours. But then BC made an aggressive offer which gave him pause. If NY can't match then he'll go to toronto, hence the waiting...
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:50 AM   #33 (permalink)
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It seems that we are prepared to give Nash the world....while the rest of the league believe that Nash is high risk . Nash won't find a better deal then the one offered by Toronto. If he wants a chance to get a championship then he will have to settle for less cash. Bottom line if he signs elsewhere this will be a black eye to the Canadian NBA baskeball. If he does sign elsewhere will he get booed when he plays in Toronto ????
With regards to Calderon not a fat chance of him getting traded...the entire world knows the position the Raptors are in they just have to wait for them to amnesty him then the teams that want him and there are many will get him at a cheaper price.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It seems that we are prepared to give Nash the world....while the rest of the league believe that Nash is high risk . Nash won't find a better deal then the one offered by Toronto. If he wants a chance to get a championship then he will have to settle for less cash. Bottom line if he signs elsewhere this will be a black eye to the Canadian NBA baskeball. If he does sign elsewhere will he get booed when he plays in Toronto ????
Don't really understand why this is bad for basketball in canada or the nba in canada or whatever. I'm sure Nash still has some ambitions to win while he can and he knows the chances of that happening here are far less than in other places.

The guy is a free agent so it's totally fine for him to 'test the waters' as they say. It doesn't make him a bad canadian nor is it a canada issue.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:12 AM   #35 (permalink)
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It's kind of weird how many are putting this "national pride" thing in the middle of this as something very important but get pissed when a foreign player spend the summer playing for his national team!
His nationality doesn't count, he's a player about to sign his last contract, not a saviour, not a hero and given our current roster not a martyr!
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Don't really understand why this is bad for basketball in canada or the nba in canada or whatever. I'm sure Nash still has some ambitions to win while he can and he knows the chances of that happening here are far less than in other places.

The guy is a free agent so it's totally fine for him to 'test the waters' as they say. It doesn't make him a bad canadian nor is it a canada issue.
The thing that I don't understand is.... if winning was so important why in God's name did he stay with PHX these past 2-3 seasons? After they dealt Amare the writing was on the wall.
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The thing that I don't understand is.... if winning was so important why in God's name did he stay with PHX these past 2-3 seasons? After they dealt Amare the writing was on the wall.
plus one... doesn't add up.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:20 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I feel bad for Caldy dude is a true raptor. The way things are right now I would wait a year, and try to sign him to much more reasonable contract, he would be amazing player of the bench.
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The more I think about the Gretzky video the more I find it ludicrous. Nash is supposed to be an ambassaor of the game up here like Gretzky was for hockey down there? How does that poor logic do anything to motivate Nash to sign here? There's just no equating the two situations.

Ultimately the timing is just off a bit. Nash is still too good to just play out his career with less certainty about how he will be used and whether or not he can win with this team. If he was showing some decline he could have been offered less and he could sail into the sunset here in a lesser role. At the same time this team hasn't come together enough to make it work for Nash. The heavy lifting is supposed to happen over the next year or two, and how is he supposed to guess at what that means for him or if it even gets done?
I said that from the begining....wayne gretzky? Really guys, that's the card you're pulling out? Nash must have looked at this and said why can't you try and sell me on your team, roster, direction (i'm sure that was part of it). Pulling out the Gretzky card and the "i'm coming home" music was the wrong approach. It dumbs it down and should have played a really small role in presenting why he should come here. And a 50yr old Gretzky saying do what i did........
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:21 AM   #40 (permalink)
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The thing that I don't understand is.... if winning was so important why in God's name did he stay with PHX these past 2-3 seasons? After they dealt Amare the writing was on the wall.
i'm sure loyalty played some role. and beyond amare there were still some OK players. Management was trying to tread water and stay afloat.
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