Grange: Finding a T.J. balance
Old 03-13-2008, 04:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you make of Parker's comments below regarding Ford? Does this mean we're running the offense through him now that Bosh is gone for an indefinite period?

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Well, you can’t fault the Raptors for their effort on the first two games of this trip. Against lesser teams they could easily be 2-0. But they’re playing 50+ win teams with elite talent, and it’s shown late in games. I though Matthew Sekeres got to the essence of the matter in his game story when he talked to Anthony Parker, who was made to disappear in the fourth quarter as T.J. Ford dominated the ball for better and worse:

"We just have to find the balance between T.J. being able to do what he does,” Parker said. “ He did some good things. He did a lot of good things. He got to the basket and got to the free-throw line, but I think we can make it a little bit easier for him."
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've thought that..we saw it last year when Bosh went down. We know the only guy other than Bosh that can get to the line is Tj so he's given the green light to drive, and pull up to shoot when necessary. I agree with Parker that to an extent the rest of the players have to continue to move to try to get open... them standing around might be a product of TJ's one-on-one to an extent but standing still not ready for a shot and then bobbling it when you get the pass isn't going to help the game plan at all. Both parties need to make an adjustment.
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If that is really Sam's game plan... to make TJ option no.1... If that's plan A when Bosh is out, then...then...fuck. i don't even know what to say.

I don't think it is. Damn. I really hope there's more to the offense than that. Come on Sam, say it ain't so.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree with Parker that to an extent the rest of the players have to continue to move to try to get open... them standing around might be a product of TJ's one-on-one to an extent but standing still not ready for a shot and then bobbling it when you get the pass isn't going to help the game plan at all. Both parties need to make an adjustment.
I can't believe you actually said that ... So, in your opinion, the fact that TJ is shooting 90% of the 4th quarter shots is partially the fault of the other players ???? And if not, probably it's because Sam wants him to do it? Come on ...
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I can't believe you actually said that ... So, in your opinion, the fact that TJ is shooting 90% of the 4th quarter shots is partially the fault of the other players ???? And if not, probably it's because Sam wants him to do it? Come on ...
Yes i'm saying that...even at it's best our off ball movement is never all that good on this team. Parker is very good without the ball and after that it falls of very quickly. There hasn't exactly been great ball movement with Jose in the lineup since Bosh went down either has there?

Tj's not going to dish to a guy that doesn't get himself open, just for the sake of dishing...he's going to penetrate and if no one gets into a good position to shoot, he'll take the shot.... that is partially what's going on for sure.

As for Sam asking him to be a scorer...we've heard Sam admit that so yeah that's a no brainer too. He's taken it a bit too literally in the past couple games sure but what i'm saying is there are more factors than Tj just being a ball hog.
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Yes i'm saying that...even at it's best our off ball movement is never all that good on this team. Parker is very good without the ball and after that it falls of very quickly. There hasn't exactly been great ball movement with Jose in the lineup since Bosh went down either has there?

Tj's not going to dish to a guy that doesn't get himself open, just for the sake of dishing...he's going to penetrate and if no one gets into a good position to shoot, he'll take the shot.... that is partially what's going on for sure.


I've been defending TJ during this time but your statement is very much wrong but some right. If youve played pickup ball with anyone who thinks they're betetr than they are, someone who brings it up the court dribbles it too much looks off open teammates and just wants to make fancy dribbling plays then shoot shoot shoot you know how frustrating it is to play with this guy and eventually you stop moving because you know he isnt going to pass it. The same sort of thing is happening here but obviously not to that extent of the dribbling that I mentioned but the whole psychological aspect is there. Why should Parker work hard around the screen when theres no spacing because TJ's trying to go iso in the middle of the floor thus impossible for him to get open?

This kind of thing really heavily falls on Sams shoulders and his inability to control TJ and his lack of offensive plays he has implemented in his 3 year debacle.

But again, our main problem is obviously our help d, but as someone mentioned a few times in another thread, anyone who plays bball knows you tend to play harder on d when you touch the ball and feel good on offence. Not to say our defence would be cured with better ball movement but it might help
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In playground ball i'd be more inclined to beleive that a ball hog could get away with that unchecked and guys around him woudln't work so hard... in an nba team with players making millions i find it harder to believe good character guys like the Raptors have would just give up like that.

I think it's a balance of some young guys with growing bbiq, tj wanting to take it on his shoulders and the coaching staff not working enough on off/ball stuff. It's not just TJ's fault....that's bs.
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its a bit of both really.

the amount of times i've seen TJ COMPLETELY ignore an open teamate is ridiculously high...
and at the same time, the amount of times i've seen our guys just watching TJ and not moving is high as well.

but i will defend the players in this debate...
once, twice, three times.... ok it happens, but if by the fourth time i'm BUSTING my ass to get open and move around screens only to be ignored by my point guard, i'm going to get a little upset.
i'm going to get even more upset if my point guard is ignoring me, hogging the ball, and taking stupid shots over and over again.
i'll get upset to the point that i will not try so hard to get open, i will not bust my ass to get to an open spot... i'll do this because a) i'm pissed off that i'm doing all this work and just being ignored, and b) just to rebel against my teamate.
i think the guys are just tired of being looked off and are just tired of dealing with TJ hogging the rock.
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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its a bit of both really.
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It is..and that's all i'm claiming.

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but i will defend the players in this debate...
once, twice, three times.... ok it happens, but if by the fourth time i'm BUSTING my ass to get open and move around screens only to be ignored by my point guard, i'm going to get a little upset.
i'm going to get even more upset if my point guard is ignoring me, hogging the ball, and taking stupid shots over and over again.
i'll get upset to the point that i will not try so hard to get open, i will not bust my ass to get to an open spot... i'll do this because a) i'm pissed off that i'm doing all this work and just being ignored, and b) just to rebel against my teamate.
i think the guys are just tired of being looked off and are just tired of dealing with TJ hogging the rock.
My response to this is... once you hit that point where you just get tired of it is when you go to your coaches and/or the player depending on how much of a man you are and make your voice heard. Then the coaching staff deals with it.

Once we hit the breaking point you will see change.... Tj won't be able to go all cowboy against his coach because he knows there's a very capable replacement named Jose ready to take those minutes.
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I wonder why teammates stop moving when TJ is on the floor, but they pick up their movement with Jose ...
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BTW. Jack Armstrong really layed into TJ Ford and Sam Mitchell on the FAN 590. I wouldn't really care if it was another analyst, but it was Jack, and i respect respect his opinion.

Of note, he is usually not overly critical of the team too often - but he was when it came to this subject.
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BTW. Jack Armstrong really layed into TJ Ford and Sam Mitchell on the FAN 590. I wouldn't really care if it was another analyst, but it was Jack, and i respect respect his opinion.

Of note, he is usually not overly critical of the team too often - but he was when it came to this subject.
When did this happen fancy? After last night's game? What did Jack say?
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Old 03-15-2008, 12:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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no. I didn't hear it directly, but McGowan talked the interview he had with Jack Armstrong the night before on prime time sports. McGowan summarized: Jack said that if he was coaching TJ, and TJ would keep playing like he did recently, then Armstrong would have quickly benched him and given him an earload. Jack also was critical of Sam in how it looked like that's what Sam actually wanted from TJ.

I've got to agree.
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You can hear it here...about the 18:00 mark.

http://www.fan590.com/onair/primetim...14_150457_5704
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Wow...I just listened to it....JACK for Head Coach...
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ya. just listened to the whole thing too.

Bobcat was great in that interview too.

It's making me really question Smitch. Really for the first time, i am very skeptical of Mitchell.
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Old 03-16-2008, 04:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
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