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jeffb 12-02-2011 11:55 PM

Grange: Don't expect much
 
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With the accelerated NBA free agent period already in high gear, don't expect the Toronto Raptors to be making plays for the handful of big name prizes out there.

And according to those familiar with the team's mindset at the moment, the Raptors newly hired coach is good with that.

"He supports this," was how one insider put it.

Now, that may sound redundant. Despite the potential cap space the Raptors could have at hand - as much as $17-million if they took advantage of the new collective bargaining agreement's amnesty provision to make unwelcome contracts go 'poof' - it's hard to imagine the franchise attracting top talent now.

Casey may have forged a strong bond with free agent centre Tyson Chandler in Dallas over the past season, but strong enough for the 29-year-old defensive whiz to leave a championship team in Dallas for an uncertain present in Toronto?

Unlikely. There was a report Thursday that the Raptors would be active in pursuit of the likes of Chandler as well as Nene, the free agent from the Denver Nuggets, and Marc Gasol, a restricted free agent centre who played with the Memphis Grizzlies. All will command contracts beginning at $50-million and heading straight up from there.

But the sense around the Raptors now is a splashy move is far off the radar at this stage. Even if there were an option to "get in the game" on the sexy free agents, the team's brain trust is focusing on building, rather than re-building.

Translated: Look for free agent moves or trades that will have minimal impact on the long-term. Instead look for moves to fill out the roster or provide a look at a potential development piece. In general, expect an effort from the team to encourage the fan base to be patient as president Bryan Colangelo uses this year and next to position the club for long-term success.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2.../grange_casey/

pzabby 12-03-2011 12:00 AM

i'm happy. chandler or gasol, imo would have translated into an extra 5 games. now i know the goal is not to tank seeing how its a lottery but these five games are really helpless to our youngins and our potential future. would you rather pick kabongo or anthony davis?

box92 12-03-2011 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 583024)
i'm happy. chandler or gasol, imo would have translated into an extra 5 games. now i know the goal is not to tank seeing how its a lottery but these five games are really helpless to our youngins and our potential future. would you rather pick kabongo or anthony davis?

harrison barnes

js12 12-03-2011 12:04 AM

We still have to spend about 85% of our cap room with the new CBA I think.

And it's not even a question with Davis vs. Kabongo. Anthony Davis is projected to go #1 in this draft. Even if we have an excess of PF, we can trade someone away or get an amazing package for Anthony Davis.

jeffb 12-03-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by js12 (Post 583026)
We still have to spend about 85% of our cap room with the new CBA I think.

And it's not even a question with Davis vs. Kabongo. Anthony Davis is projected to go #1 in this draft. Even if we have an excess of PF, we can trade someone away or get an amazing package for Anthony Davis.

I certainly think we'll do a couple decent moves, but obviously we got excited for nothing. Especially now that we see what the talked about players are looking for.

TORaptor4Ever 12-03-2011 03:37 AM

I don't see opening the piggy bank for Gasol would be a bad thing, or not support the "building" process. The guy's young.

I certainly don't want to get excited about trying to tank AGAIN this season only to lose out in the end. Not worth it.

LKeet6 12-03-2011 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 583024)
i'm happy. chandler or gasol, imo would have translated into an extra 5 games. now i know the goal is not to tank seeing how its a lottery but these five games are really helpless to our youngins and our potential future. would you rather pick kabongo or anthony davis?

i agree.

look at claudius' "5 inexpensive options for the raptors" thread. there are players in there that will improve us, albeit not long-term and help casey achieve his goals of changing the culture of this team.

Acie 12-03-2011 09:06 AM

It's really quite logical that we need to go to the lottery again.

No bigtime FA is going to sign here until we're on the cusp of being a really good team.

We won't be there until we have a few more studs.

And for those who say - don't tank, how did all the good, young teams like Portland, OKC, Memphis and Chicago acquire assets and become competitive teams? By overpaying for a free agent when they were still devoid of talent or by building through the draft and once they began to gel by adding pieces through trades and signings?

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 12-03-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 583024)
i'm happy. chandler or gasol, imo would have translated into an extra 5 games. now i know the goal is not to tank seeing how its a lottery but these five games are really helpless to our youngins and our potential future. would you rather pick kabongo or anthony davis?

Anthony Davis and it is not even a question. Kabongo struggling to score at Texas and averaging 3.3TO per game and that is against easy teams so far.. Davis is averaging like 5blocks per game and a double double.


Now to the topic, not surprise, this is what Toronto needs to do. Build through the draft. It is tough for fans because you want to win now but Toronto needs another lottery pick. They've done well in the draft the last 3 years(DD,Davis,Val) now another year of a top 10 pick could be huge. Barnes is the guy I want, you add Barnes to that young talent, then make a big trade or go big in FA to finish the team out the following year. They're doing it the way they can right now.

carp 12-03-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorsandBuckeye FaN (Post 583109)
Anthony Davis and it is not even a question. Kabongo struggling to score at Texas and averaging 3.3TO per game and that is against easy teams so far.. Davis is averaging like 5blocks per game and a double double.


Now to the topic, not surprise, this is what Toronto needs to do. Build through the draft. It is tough for fans because you want to win now but Toronto needs another lottery pick. They've done well in the draft the last 3 years(DD,Davis,Val) now another year of a top 10 pick could be huge. Barnes is the guy I want, you add Barnes to that young talent, then make a big trade or go big in FA to finish the team out the following year. They're doing it the way they can right now.

Davis is the guy I want.... this team needs an absolute draft stud... not a good player, but a stud. We have zero top 5 talent at each position and it's a star's league.... not good.

RaptorsandBuckeye FaN 12-03-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 583110)
Davis is the guy I want.... this team needs an absolute draft stud... not a good player, but a stud. We have zero top 5 talent at each position and it's a star's league.... not good.

True. With Davis also the Raptors would be deep down low. Ed Davis, Anthony Davis, Amir, Bargnani, and Val. All young also so that is pretty impressive. Then you could use 1 or 2 in a trade to upgrade other positions. But the Raptors will have to get lucky with the #1 pick with Davis. Barnes probably #3 or #4. Lamb #3-#6.

Right now my top 3 are:
1. Anthony Davis PF
2. Harrison Barnes SF
3. Jeremy Lamb SG

Looks like a weak year for PG this year in the NBA draft. Only 2 PG in like the top 20 right now(long way to go) in freshman Marquis Teague(Kentucky) & Kabongo(Texas). Both projected later lottery picks though and haven't found their game in college yet.

Dark Knight 12-03-2011 12:58 PM

I liked what I saw from Davis against St. John's the other day. He's lanky, and is a lot more willing to play down low (on both sides of the ball) than I expected. He'll definitely go top 3.

I also agree that we shouldn't be shelling out on FA just yet, and I've been saying it for a while. You don't sign big name guys just for the sake of doing so. You do it to make your team legit contenders. We aren't there yet. I think this season should be another 'evaluation' season to see what we have.

Dark Knight 12-03-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RaptorsandBuckeye FaN (Post 583111)
True. With Davis also the Raptors would be deep down low. Ed Davis, Anthony Davis, Amir, Bargnani, and Val. All young also so that is pretty impressive. Then you could use 1 or 2 in a trade to upgrade other positions. But the Raptors will have to get lucky with the #1 pick with Davis. Barnes probably #3 or #4. Lamb #3-#6.

Right now my top 3 are:
1. Anthony Davis PF
2. Harrison Barnes SF
3. Jeremy Lamb SG

Looks like a weak year for PG this year in the NBA draft. Only 2 PG in like the top 20 right now(long way to go) in freshman Marquis Teague(Kentucky) & Kabongo(Texas). Both projected later lottery picks though and haven't found their game in college yet.

Drummond will go top 3 regardless of the way he plays this season. You can't just bypass a kid with that type of athletism and potential at the center spot.

My top 3 at the moment:

1. Anthony Davis
2. Andre Drummond
3. Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones

Carlito 12-03-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 583110)
Davis is the guy I want.... this team needs an absolute draft stud... not a good player, but a stud. We have zero top 5 talent at each position and it's a star's league.... not good.

+1 ... Totally agree
If we could get Davis .. Then we have a star caliber player to build around

LX 12-03-2011 04:30 PM

Having two power forwards named Davis would be nice. We'd just have to get Larry Brown on board, get Demar to be clutch, and see if Bargnani could finally become equal to Rik Smits.

powerfulpanda 12-05-2011 01:23 PM

and we can have anthony davis unibrow night at the ACC!

Windex 12-05-2011 01:30 PM

that unibrow is powerful

TORaptor4Ever 12-05-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 583093)
It's really quite logical that we need to go to the lottery again.

No bigtime FA is going to sign here until we're on the cusp of being a really good team.

We won't be there until we have a few more studs.

And for those who say - don't tank, how did all the good, young teams like Portland, OKC, Memphis and Chicago acquire assets and become competitive teams? By overpaying for a free agent when they were still devoid of talent or by building through the draft and once they began to gel by adding pieces through trades and signings?

OKC, POR and CHI got very lucky IMO. They each had the opportunity to draft a hell of a player who could come in and contribute immediately. Durant, Roy and Rose were all-stars within what? 2 years?

Unfortunately, not every team has that kind of luck.

Besides... isn't this coming draft class very PF-heavy?

Acie 12-05-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 583701)
OKC, POR and CHI got very lucky IMO. They each had the opportunity to draft a hell of a player who could come in and contribute immediately. Durant, Roy and Rose were all-stars within what? 2 years?

Unfortunately, not every team has that kind of luck.

Besides... isn't this coming draft class very PF-heavy?

Who cares what position they play if they're a franchise type guy.

The teams I mentioned were built largely through the draft. And in some cases those assets acquired through the draft were moved for other complimentary pieces (Green for Perkins).

And maybe we got lucky in the 2011 draft or we will get lucky in 2012? We're not going to trade for or sign a franchise guy anytime soon, so I see nothing wrong with acquiring assets through the draft and building a solid core fo players.

Ligeia 12-05-2011 06:06 PM

The position of the player is relevant if we're talking about how to move the other pieces. Besides that, I'd take another Tim Duncan or Blake Griffin, if that's the level of player that Anthony Davis could be (which I'm not sure of yet).

I agree completely that the best chances of a proper build starts with the draft. I also feel that saving money for 2012 makes sense. Though the team may not be as accomplished at that stage, you will have Davis and DeRozan ideally improving. Valanciunas coming over, a top 5 draft pick in a deep draft, maybe Bayless playing better, and a bunch of cash to spend (whether it's in trade or in free agency). It's the best chance this team has, I think.


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