Grange: Bosh = Al Jefferson?
Old 02-10-2009, 02:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've never really bought into Jefferson as a franchise player. Defensively he's a bit soft and I wonder if you can run all your offence through a guy who is kind of otherwise one-dimensional.

But is Bosh? He's already got a 'max' contract and it's almost certain he's going to get another one in 2010. But is he a max player? Not sure.

I'd have no problem arguing that Jefferson isn't. But what is the difference between the two? Jefferson averages 23 points and 11 rebounds on 49.6 per cent shooting. Bosh averages 22.7 points and 9.5 rebounds on 49.6 per cent shooting. Bosh is a better passer, Jefferson a better shot-blocker. Bosh gets to the line more, Jefferson is a better offensive rebounder. They anchor teams that are headed straight to the draft lottery. They're both just 24. Both have knee issues, though Bosh hasn't had a major injury like Jefferson's.

There's not much to choose between them. They're both clearly very talented and productive professionals. But until recently I would have been comfortable making one a franchise player and not the other and I was probably wrong on both counts.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Grange is on fire.

One difference between Jefferson and Bosh is that Jefferson sucks at d because of his bodily limitations. Bosh could be a good defender but doesn't really pony up on effort. If he was a second option and didn't waste as much energy on o, I could see him improving.

I prefer interior players like Jefferson because they can set up double teams and if Al ever does improve his passing, which he could with a back to the basket game, they could really exploit that.

Honestly I feel the big seperation between Bosh and Big Al right now is that Al is stubby and 'thick', Bosh is tall and 'handsome!'. That sounds ridiculous but I really do feel society values height and length more than thickness and associates them more with power. Bosh's game on the surface appears more skillful with his footwork and versatility, and he has the 2003 hype. Big Al's game is a lot less gracious if you will. I dunno. Just throwing that out there.
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well it depends on what type of offense you are trying to run if it's uptempo you go with Bosh. If you are trying to go traditional half-court, I would go with Jefferson (pre-injury). Overall I like Jefferson's game more because he is a true low-post scorer which is rare now in the NBA.
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Jefferson is a sick player. I wouldn't mind him on the Raps
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Ouch, if i were Bosh, i'd be utterly insulted
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Ouch, if i were Bosh, i'd be utterly insulted
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Ouch, if i were Bosh, i'd be utterly insulted
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Are you saying Jefferson is a bad player? Cause he isn't.

Grange is right - the two players are a wash in comparison with the exception of Bosh having gone to the playoffs - I don't think Jefferson has led his team to the playoffs. Both are skilled big men and while they might never be true franchise players, they would be amazing 1-A's on a team that has an existing superstar.
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Bosh works his hardest for about 7 years to get to all-star caliber play and a franchise player.... to be compared to some other PF that was traded for KG and still finding his game.
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Are you saying Jefferson is a bad player? Cause he isn't.

Grange is right - the two players are a wash in comparison with the exception of Bosh having gone to the playoffs - I don't think Jefferson has led his team to the playoffs. Both are skilled big men and while they might never be true franchise players, they would be amazing 1-A's on a team that has an existing superstar.
No, I'm just saying Bosh is better.
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Bosh works his hardest for about 7 years to get to all-star caliber play and a franchise player.... to be compared to some other PF that was traded for KG and still finding his game.
Still finding his game? 23 and 11 is considered "still finding his game"? Stop with the liquid lunch, bro.
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He is a good player, yes, but he doesn't have experience. He's never made the playoffs, heck, he's never even played for a winning team. I'm just saying to hold a few years to make these comparisons
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bosh is far more talented than jefferson. i don't even think it's comparable

if i were to compare big al to anyone, it would be z-bo. their games are identical. jefferson had some effort issues while in boston, but luckily they seem to be behind him now.
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snooch said this long before Grange did, so praise him, Grange may have stole that from this very forum :P

I disagreed with Snooch and i disagree with Grange obv
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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He is a good player, yes, but he doesn't have experience. He's never made the playoffs, heck, he's never even played for a winning team. I'm just saying to hold a few years to make these comparisons
It's not his fault he's surrounded by garbage players in Boston and Minnesota.

You make it sound like Bosh is some NBA legend, like some playoff god. CB4 has won how many playoff games in his career? 3?

I think with both guys, their game is similar. Offensive weapons, been focal points of their clubs, none have really achieved much NBA success to date (at least post-season), both probably would benefit by having to take the pressure off of them.
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Jefferson has won how many playoff games....oh wait.

I think that beening on a winning team is essensial to growing into a star. When you develop on a losing team, you don't get the experience of a grind-it-out kind of game very often. Worse for Big Al is that he is also consideered a leader on a young team, though he is very young. He doesn't have any one to learn from, unless McHale still got game.
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Jefferson has won how many playoff games....oh wait.

I think that beening on a winning team is essensial to growing into a star. When you develop on a losing team, you don't get the experience of a grind-it-out kind of game very often. Worse for Big Al is that he is also consideered a leader on a young team, though he is very young. He doesn't have any one to learn from, unless McHale still got game.
So, Bosh is a better player because he's won 3 more playoff games?
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No, because he has experience and game.

If you're so high on Jefferson, tell me why he's better or even at the same level as Bosh. Hmm
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They are very different players despite putting up very similar numbers (blocks aside). Al plays a back to the basket power/finesse game, sort of like a better Zach Randolph, while Bosh has become a face up jump shooter and occasional driver. Both get about 10 boards a game.

Jefferson has improved his game a lot this year, while Bosh's leadership has really taken a nosedive, so it's not as big of an insult as in the past.

Either way, Bosh is out with a knee injury (sprain?), while Jefferson is out with a torn ACL - infinitely worse. Jefferson will be out for the season and then have to rehab it over the summer, and hope that his hops come back.
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No, because he has experience and game.

If you're so high on Jefferson, tell me why he's better or even at the same level as Bosh. Hmm
Right, because Jefferson has no game. Okay.

As for my reasons as to why I think the Jefferson v. Bosh comparison is level, I do urge you to read the above posts. I already stated my reasons why they're about the same a couple of times already on the thread. I'm not going into it again.
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Jefferson is playing center like Bosh was his first couple of years, of course hes going to struggle sometimes in a game where hes getting beaten up and having to guard guys a lot bigger and taller.

Theyre both bad defensively, but Jefferson is more valuable and a better player who has more impact on the game because he can score with his back to the basket and gets more points in the paint then Bosh does. Once MIN gets a real team around him its going to be very hard to stop them because if you do collapse its a lot easier for him to find open people with his back to the bucket than Bosh going out of control off the dribble.

I'd definately take Jefferson right now, hes really impressed me with his performances against the top teams this year. Scoring 30 twice against both HOU and SAS(well, 29 in the other game but close enough), and once against LA and BOS as well.
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