Grange: Bargs Just Isn't That Good .... But Could He Be?
Old 03-02-2009, 03:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So it's pretty clear that trying to make the case that Andrea Bargnani deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Dirk Nowitzki now or even at comparable stages of their careers is pretty faulty thinking.

The guy just isn't that good.

But. But. But.

Could he be? That's all that really matters, really. It would be comforting, if you're a Raptors fan, to have a bedrock of past performance to predict future behaviour for Bargnani, but you don't.

What you have is what you see before your eyes. A seven-footer who looks like he could be that good. Who, when he crosses over left to right on the baseline and finishes with a finger-roll in the lane, sometimes even looks like he could be better. A guy who can score points in bunches in a bunch of games. A guy who's become an average to better-than-average individual and team defender.
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But then again Bargnani has to recognize where his opportunities are. One of the things holding him back is that part of his identity seems caught up in being able to do all these things that seven footers normally don't. They're like party tricks. Look at my cross-over dribble! Look at how far I can shoot from! But the issue isn't doing something better than other seven footers; it's doing it better than the other team. When Bargnani dribble drives from the three point-line, anything can happen, some of it even good, but not all of it. But his best sequence came last night when he drew fouls on consecutive drives late in the third quarter. In each case he caught the ball at 18 feet and was dribble away from the rim. The defender was helpless because he had to respect his jumper from that range.

In this respect Bargnani could be more dangerous than Dirk - get fouled more; get to the rim more. But that's where his offence needs to start, not from 24 feet.

Because while Bargnani is banging away threes like a poor man's Jason Kapono, only Euro seven-foot jump-shooter who's ever won an MVP award sets up in the mid-post, squares up and makes jump shot after jump shot; giving his team a reliable, efficient offensive mainstay.

Everyone - Bargnani, the Raptors, whoever - should look at that if they want to see how this guy could might get, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel.
Source - Globeandmail.com: From Deep - Bargnani's no Dirk; RuPaul?
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Old 03-02-2009, 04:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good stuff, I say.
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Old 03-02-2009, 04:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I hate to say it - but I believe Sam was looking at keeping him at 18 feet and in. I'd guess that re-inventing the wheel was what his boss actually wanted.
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I actually consider Bargnani to be kind of like a hybrid mix between Dirk and Chris Bosh. Dirk is a MUCH more seasoned post player than Andrea, but Andrea's range is definitely no worse than Dirk's. Andrea's game is more centered around facing up his man, kind of like Chris.

I actually think Andrea is quicker and faster than Dirk, and to be honest Andrea is probably a more effective individual defender. As far as being the next Dirk though, I don't really know. Dirk's footwork in the post is absolutely magical, and in terms of big men I've never seen anyone create space for a shot like Dirk can.

Who knows? I'm excited to see what he's got for us.
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I think I discussed precisely this in an earlier thread and everyone wanted my head on a plate.

Bargnani most definitely has immense potential but it's been 3 years people are saying it. I havent seen him get nowhere near to where a #1 overall draft pick should be. Yes he's been posting better numbers on a real crappy team. However, his arsenal of weapons hasnt developped that much, he still jacks up 3s and has no post moves. His ability to drive improved but its still a 50-50 % chance that his drive with his head down goes good or.. really really bad...

I think its mostly a mental issue with him and no guidance by the coaching stuff to what his strengths are and working them out dont help.
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grange just isnt that good of a writer...but he could be.
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If Bargs had any sort of mentor, any sort of coach, any sort of plan and most of all any sort of pg. he could well become the next Dirk or better.
The amount of times Bargs is looked off usually by Jose or Parker is astounding especially when he's on a roll.
Bargs has all the talent in the world, now he needs a coach who can bring it out in him.
A coach with a PLAN. Sam mind edit Bargs and Jay, (well bless his heart) is a good guy but can't see the forest for the trees

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grange just isnt that good of a writer...but he could be.
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grange just isnt that good of a writer...but he could be.
i think he's actually a decent writer, he's just not that great of a researcher and basketball isn't his game. he's come a long way since he moved from the golf desk, though.
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I hate to say it - but I believe Sam was looking at keeping him at 18 feet and in. I'd guess that re-inventing the wheel was what his boss actually wanted.
That's your problem LX.

You have a good memory, and you actually say what everyone else knows, but pretends to forget.

People won't like you for it.

I've been saying it all fucking season, we didn't give Sam enough time. The roster was faulty and BC bailed himself out with the firing of Sam.

If we don't get a proper, "D" playing coach, plus a bunch of "real" players, I'll be really disappointed.
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i think he's actually a decent writer, he's just not that great of a researcher and basketball isn't his game. he's come a long way since he moved from the golf desk, though.
I think he played Canadian college ball, he has pretty good technical understanding of the game.

On to the subject, I think Bargs will ever be as smooth as Dirk is, but he has already become a better defensive player than Dirk.
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