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Old 05-30-2009, 09:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In an interview with La Gazetta dello Sport from Treviso, Italy, where he's been doing some off-season training, Bargnani said he is encouraged the Raptors decided to make Jay Triano the head coach, and not too disappointed that Sam Mitchell was shown the door.

"As a coach, everyone in the team likes him, unlike Mitchell, and he earned the respect of all the players right from Day 1," Bargnani said. "That's why we asked [Raptors president Bryan Colangelo] to confirm him. And he agreed, because he's the right man to start over with.

Bargnani hopes Gherardini will stay with the Raptors.

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"I would be really sorry to see him go, because we've played together for seven years," Bargnani said in the interview. "I hope he doesn't leave, though I don't know what he'll decide."

"It's not a secret that when I came to Toronto I had a three-year contract," Gherardini said. "And Andrea is speaking from his heart when he says he hopes I stay, which is nice. It shows that we have a good relationship. I finally have a good agent."
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"When I was permanently [a starter] I started to play better," Bargnani said. "Something changed in my head last summer, but not having a lot of minutes on court, I didn't get the chance to show it."
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like this kid but fuck him, he shows me signs of feeling as though he is owed something.

Does he notknow we love him for what he MIGHT become?

He is so far from great it isn't funny, perhaps he didn't like that Mitchell actually made him fight for what he got.

No doubt he improved once he was allowed to play more, but that was just his attitude and his comfort level, you have to be careful. Mitchell was trying to teach him how to play NBA basketball, he wasn't worried about his state of mind, his job was to make sure this kid knew HOW to play first. If this is his ceiling....he's fucked. If he stops learning the game, stops learning to play in the blocks, to rebound, to play defence...then all he is is a role player on a bad team.

casreful what ya wish fopr Andrea.
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I was about to say...was it because Sam expected too much out of him or leaned on him to hard?

I'm glad that everyone thinks Jay is a nice guy, but this team needs a head coach, not a guy who's everybody's best friend.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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don't get me wrong, I'm open to him playin gwell, I just don't want this kid to look at last year and even consider he can ease up...he has another couple years, then it will be 5, and he has soooo much to learn before he can reach the #1 potential status he was drafted on, he doesn'thave time to fel safe.

He still looks absolutely useless any time he has to react.
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I was about to say...was it because Sam expected too much out of him or leaned on him to hard?

I'm glad that everyone thinks Jay is a nice guy, but this team needs a head coach, not a guy who's everybody's best friend.
It also could be because ever time he made a mistake he got the hook and then was scolded.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Bargs still wishes he had Smitch's athletic ability
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No matter how good he is, it always worries me when a player's game is as hampered by a tough coach as Bargnani is claiming his was.

How would he react to Riley? Or Jackson? Or Brown? Or Popovich?

Maybe he would respect them more because of their acumen, but still: shut up and play hard!
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Old 05-30-2009, 04:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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seriously, he needs to man up, you are playing with men now, you wont get coddled, nobody on this forum can tell me Sam didnt want this kid to succeed, or didnt give him chance after chance to get going. Sam wasnt the one that went out and got somebody that played his position last year, BC was, so it's pretty clear Sam wasnt the only person doubting on AB. There is only one way to make doubters stfu, man up, any PT you recieve, you work as hard as you can, esp on D (since its common knowledge sam loves defensive players) and you will get your PT. Simple, no excuses. JT only started AB when JO went down, so i dont see how this confidence changing moment was so big, what do you think Sam would've done?? Start Humps?? lol

what scares me the most is young guys like AB who dont come up with the hustle plays often enough, be it for boards or on D etc etc, he seems disinterested very often and can only get going when he hits a few jumpers.

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Old 05-30-2009, 04:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The best thing that happened to Bargs was the firing of Mitch. I concur with what Bargs is saying. Mitch had his favourites who were allowed to make mistake over mistake. For Bargs it was one mistake and he was back on the bench. Regardless the majority of the players did not like Mitches ways even at the end Bosh tuned him out. I am sure Bosh and BC talked before Mitch was let go.
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and no, contrary to what ppl think, the main reason Bargs got the hook was cuz he was doing nothing on the glass, nothing on D and then clanking a few shots, so basically, he was useless for an extended period 2 years ago and the early part of last year. If he showed a bit of heart and took some charges, played some D and grabbed some boards, things which Smitchs fav players were often good at, then he wouldnt have been benched as often as he was. He seems to have a weak mentality, which is somewhat worrisome, but i never really want him to be the main man here, so im not all that bothered by it atm
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what Bargnani said is the the truth, but one thing for sure is Sam Mitchell did give him a chance to play in his second season but obviously Bargnani was having terrible year

you can list a hundred things Mitchell did right with Bosh and a hundred things he did wrong with bargnani

Sam Mitchell was completely over rated, I'm glad he's gone, i doubt he'll do well when he gets another job if he gets one
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Old 05-30-2009, 07:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bargnani hopes Gherardini will stay with the Raptors.





Source - Bargnani was happy to see Mitchell leave - The Globe and Mail
Who wasn't.

Wake me up when Smitch coaches again in the NBA.
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what Bargnani said is the the truth, but one thing for sure is Sam Mitchell did give him a chance to play in his second season but obviously Bargnani was having terrible year

you can list a hundred things Mitchell did right with Bosh and a hundred things he did wrong with bargnani

Sam Mitchell was completely over rated, I'm glad he's gone, i doubt he'll do well when he gets another job if he gets one
See, i think he's underated. At least in Toronto, he did some good things here and he'll do fine in his next coaching job which is possibly in Minnesota.

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seriously, he needs to man up, you are playing with men now, you wont get coddled, nobody on this forum can tell me Sam didnt want this kid to succeed, or didnt give him chance after chance to get going. Sam wasnt the one that went out and got somebody that played his position last year, BC was, so it's pretty clear Sam wasnt the only person doubting on AB. There is only one way to make doubters stfu, man up, any PT you recieve, you work as hard as you can, esp on D (since its common knowledge sam loves defensive players) and you will get your PT. Simple, no excuses. JT only started AB when JO went down, so i dont see how this confidence changing moment was so big, what do you think Sam would've done?? Start Humps?? lol

what scares me the most is young guys like AB who dont come up with the hustle plays often enough, be it for boards or on D etc etc, he seems disinterested very often and can only get going when he hits a few jumpers.
Great coaches are great because they handle different personalities different ways. Everyone is different and so you must handle different people different ways to get results. Shouting and jumping up and down doesn't work on everybody. That fact to me doesn't make me look down on a player for not responding to that, it makes me look down on the guy doing the shouting and jumping for not being intelligent enough to realize that. Its not coincidental that when Sam left and Bargnani got his next legit chance he soared. Jay coached that personality as it should be coached and got results. A coach needs to be a psychologist, to understand how the mind works and to accommodate for it in a reasonable fashion. Phil Jackson is an example of a good psychologist, the man knows how to handle different personalities and has had gigantic successes in doing so.

Sam improved a lot while in Toronto but he still has a long way to go. Based on the progression I've seen, he has the potential to be a good one down the road.

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Man, Bargs hasreally started to come out of his shell this off-season
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Common Andrea ... Triano is not head coach material. You may love him because you think he got you the starter role but actually JO's injury got you the starter role. The change in your head was because of the though love you got from Sam.
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Common Andrea ... Triano is not head coach material. You may love him because you think he got you the starter role but actually JO's injury got you the starter role. The change in your head was because of the though love you got from Sam.


i think you just proved your an idiot there (no offence) or just saying things for the hell of saying them, you have NOT THE SLIGHEST CLUE what kind of coach triano is or isn't, hes obviously good enough to coach team canada, team america, and good enough to get the respect he deserves from every player he coaches, i have never heard a negative thing said about him, your not in the dressing room or on the bench when hes coaching you have not the slightest clue, what did jackson do when he had pippen and no jordon? NOTHING, a coach can't change the fact he has inferior players and has guys like anthony parker and joey graham covering the best players in the league


i don't know why everyones jumping on him, he didn't come out and say it when mitchell was here, he didn't ask for a trade, or his coach to be traded, he was very professional, and why is being honest such a bad thing these days? he said what he felt and i respect that, whats the point of interviews and media if every player says what is expected of him to say? in his exiting interviews he was very humble and its good hes becomming more vocal now and not as shy, hopefully it translates to the floor


bargnani started games under mitchell too its not like he didn't, and is it jsut a coincidence that grahams game picked up after triano arrived too? what gurk said up there is very true, a coach needs to learn how to get the best from each of his players, like sun tzu said if instructions are not given clearly (in a way which is understood by each warrior) failure the generals fault, and if the instructions have been given clearly and understood than failure is the warriors fault, mitchell was just missing too many qualities to be a great head coach right away, will he work on it and have a future? i can see that happening, but to bash a player whos just being honest and a player we all know as humble i think its stupid to jump on him
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So.... basicallly what the "shut up Andrea" crowd is saying is that they think he doesn't want to win? That's what I'm hearing.... because any athlete that is willing to accept an obviously unqualified coach simply because he is a nice guy has success way down the priority list.

Personally, I think Andrea wants to win.
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I think this summer we had validation that mitchell is not reagarded as head coach material by any of those teams that were looking for a new coach. He wasn't mentioned as an option anywhere, not even in philly where they interviewed (or rumoured to be interested) in all the sidelined coaches and a college one ...

The fact that there wasn't even a rumor about sam mitchell speaks volumes and should finally shut out his few remaining supporters on this board (but it won't).
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