Grange: "Analyzing the Raptors' core"
Old 02-23-2008, 10:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I guess last night's embarrassing loss took Grange over the edge.

Anyhow, what do you guys think about what he says? Its kind of like the same discussion that moremilk and I had in last night's game thread about needing another "go-to/all-star" type player to really see this team take off.

Would most of you agree with me, or do you think we just still have to continue giving it more time and we'll be fine?

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Iím a big Bosh fan, but Iím not sure heís destined to be an unstoppable two-way force that simply requires some help around the edges. Can Bargnani become a real all-star? If so, that might change the discussion somewhat. But Iím a bit skeptical of his potential to become the type of all-NBA talent a No.1 pick should have a chance to become. Ford (and letís presume good health) and Calderon can be starting point guards on excellent teams, and together cover off the point position as well as Bosh does his, at the very least. But that leaves you with two all-star positions and a big maybe at Bargnaniís spot. To me that doesnít get it done, even if you allow for best-case improvement among all parties. To me you need these four guys and at least one more elite, all-star caliber player. And then they need Paul Millsap. Not a Paul Millsap type. They need Paul Millsap.
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Old 02-23-2008, 12:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have no doubt we'll get another all-star, probably at the sg position - that's the whole idea behind Bryan's plan to have cap-space in 2009 .Unfortunately, Jose might screw this up a bit, but I think we could still have a lot of cap-space, enough to sign a big name. The only real problem is whether MLSE will want to go over the luxury tax (really important for this plan), but I think they will, especially with the all-star coming to Toronto and the strong canadian dollar - it would be a stupid economic decision not to, and MLSE is anything but stupid when it comes to money ...
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Have in mind that this year Raps have a draft pick... it will be low pick but with a trade they might move up and get big, strong & tough guy... or maybe they trade their pick for a veteran... we all know what Raps need but it takes time to obtain it especially since BC is not willing to deal any of their young players...
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Paul Milsap? lol
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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raptors are shit.
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Old 02-23-2008, 07:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Funny this guy said what i said in the thread the other day... our only real big building blocks to the future are Bosh and Calderon, Bargs who knows, its not enough to be a serious contender and we have many holes, we can be decent tho, unless we got moved to the west :P
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raptors are shit.
Stay away from ledges Kuzz .... I'd hate to see you jump.

Anyhow, I understand its frustrating to be a Raptors fan right now because you never know which team is going to play from game to game, but we're still young and the future is still bright for this franchise. If we continue getting worse over the next 5 years, then its something to be worried about. But not just yet. Keep that chin up Kuzz.
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Stay away from ledges Kuzz .... I'd hate to see you jump.

Anyhow, I understand its frustrating to be a Raptors fan right now because you never know which team is going to play from game to game, but we're still young and the future is still bright for this franchise. If we continue getting worse over the next 5 years, then its something to be worried about. But not just yet. Keep that chin up Kuzz.
i do love the optimism, i hope your right
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:41 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The loss to the knicks was pathetic, despicable, etc, but how does it change anything?

We were a team a piece or two away from any noise before; we are still the same team. Bosh is good but he needs help, and Bargnani isn't providing it at all.

Even if we had least year Andrea we would have won that game easily; he would have stuck a couple of those three's he took, maybe gotten a block. This year he's just freaking awful - he's in an in-between stage right now where he's trying to become a different player and it's just not working. It's like Andrea Kirilenko in Utah a couple years ago.

Anyways, the Knicks got freaking lucky. Crawford could not miss for most of the game...
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Ummm, we lost, not a big deal. NY has beaten teams like Denver, Utah, Cleveland, Detroit and Washington. All good teams. All teams which have second scorers etc. All teams in the playoffs.

We need to relax. Again, IF Andrea doesn't pan out to be the player we thought in 2-3 years time when we have Bosh at full maturity, Calderon and Ford fully mature as well, then we should be worried. But right now. A team this young, learning to win (something alot of have seem to forgotten, we need to LEARN how to win consistently first) is doing pretty damn well.

Also our problem in the Knicks game was our offense. Where this talk about us needing more offense is coming from I'm not entirely sure. What we need is that bona fide shut down defender MORE than anything else. Jamario has those talents and abilities, he just needs to learn NOT to cheat on his man and go for the block. But he has the length and the ability to be that type of player with the right coaching. If that happens then we'll be in a position to succeed.
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it's hard to provide from the bench, you know ... There was absolutely no reason to bench him last night, he wasn't worse then previous games, and baston and rasho were just as useless on defense. At least Andreea has an offensive impact, regardless if he shoots well or not.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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aha
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Just real pist off with the regression.
I'm hopeing we put our expiring contracts of next year to use and trade them for an ACTUAL ball player.
Moon was a "feel good" story, but if he starts next year... *speechless*
and Andrea Bargnani, just tired of his bullshit!!! Either play hard or dont play.
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