Grade your Raptors - Page 3
Old 02-17-2014, 12:31 PM   #41 (permalink)
SOS
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 146
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
His understanding on the defensive end is better than last year, and his rebounding has improved. I didn't expect his offensive numbers to go up much because he's not at the top of the pecking order on offence. Give him another summer or two and his offence will take off, and we'll be forced to give him more usage, which will ultimately make us a better team.

Coach Hollins will do wonders for JVs game. The day isn't far away.
man, really hope so...
SOS is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 12:34 PM   #42 (permalink)
60win-22lost

Member
 
TS13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 172
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
That doesn't say to me that he was looking to tank whatsoever. Again, nothing he's ever said or done has ever indicated he is tanking type.
Ujiri: A
TS13 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 12:49 PM   #43 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
MBailey85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto,Ontario
Posts: 2,512
Representing:
Default

DeRozan: A Hayes: C- Buycks: N/A
Lowry: A Vasquez: C- Casey: B
Patterson: B+ Salmons: C- Ujiri: B-
Valanciunas: B- Novak: D
Johnson: B- Fields: F
Ross: B- Daye: F
Hansbrough: C+ Stone: F

Last edited by MBailey85; 02-17-2014 at 01:20 PM.
MBailey85 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 12:55 PM   #44 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

How is Ujiri getting barely a grade above a C? lol
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:08 PM   #45 (permalink)
...

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12,161
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
How is Ujiri getting barely a grade above a C? lol
To be a Raptor fan is to be impatient, and rightfully so.

Though in this case, although everyone is happy that he got rid of the dead weight and actually got something back in return, we still want to see his true plan for this team, especially with the core pieces, and he's yet to show his cards. It just seems like we're being strung along, and he still hasn't decided which direction he's going in, which could end up backfiring on him by the off season, and that scares the crap out of most of the fan base, as it should given our history. This season is too similar to the Mitchell COY year, and we don't want to see a repeat of what came afterward.

So to answer your question, he's graded low because we're still waiting to see what his true vision of this team is, and everyone hates waiting, but that's part of the game.
Ball Don't Lie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:11 PM   #46 (permalink)
in Houstatlantavegas

Scouting Specialist
 
Thug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,859
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
To be a Raptor fan is to be impatient, and rightfully so.

Though in this case, although everyone is happy that he got rid of the dead weight and actually got something back in return, we still want to see his true plan for this team, especially with the core pieces, and he's yet to show his cards. It just seems like we're being strung along, and he still hasn't decided which direction he's going in, which could end up backfiring on him by the off season, and that scares the crap out of most of the fan base, as it should given our history. This season is too similar to the Mitchell COY year, and we don't want to see a repeat of what came afterward.

So to answer your question, he's graded low because we're still waiting to see what his true vision of this team is, and everyone hates waiting, but that's part of the game.
Makes sense except if we're still waiting to see what his true vision is he should be given an incomplete as a grade not graded low.
Thug is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:11 PM   #47 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
MBailey85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto,Ontario
Posts: 2,512
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
How is Ujiri getting barely a grade above a C? lol
Good question. He worked magic getting rid of Bargs and acquiring a 1st round pick in the process. Also,getting rid of Gay's potential 19M opt in was a relief. However when measuring the team's success,90% of the key players are BC's guys(KL,DD,JV,AV,TR vs PP,TH). He still had to buyout QR and MC,on the hook for Novak and Hayes. The Stone,Buyckys and Daye pickups have all been useless. I think his original intent was to build a crappy team and plan for the future but Colangelo's pieces have stepped up and prevented that. If he can get rid of Fields for something decent he'll get upgraded to an A instantly lol.

Last edited by MBailey85; 02-17-2014 at 01:13 PM.
MBailey85 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:13 PM   #48 (permalink)
in Houstatlantavegas

Scouting Specialist
 
Thug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,859
Representing:
Default

Lowry: A
Derozan: A-
Patterson: A-
Ross: B+
Valanciunas: B-
Salmons: B
Vasquez: C
Amir: C+
Hayes: B-
PsychoT: INC (Haven't seen him enough and consistently a part of our rotation yet)
Novak: B

Ujiri: B
Casey: B+
Thug is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:15 PM   #49 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
To be a Raptor fan is to be impatient, and rightfully so.

Though in this case, although everyone is happy that he got rid of the dead weight and actually got something back in return, we still want to see his true plan for this team, especially with the core pieces, and he's yet to show his cards. It just seems like we're being strung along, and he still hasn't decided which direction he's going in, which could end up backfiring on him by the off season, and that scares the crap out of most of the fan base, as it should given our history. This season is too similar to the Mitchell COY year, and we don't want to see a repeat of what came afterward.

So to answer your question, he's graded low because we're still waiting to see what his true vision of this team is, and everyone hates waiting, but that's part of the game.
So we're grading him on what his future plan is/might be which hasn't been implemented rather then what he's done in his first 6 months?

OK...
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:18 PM   #50 (permalink)
If I ruled the world...

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Yes
Posts: 3,620
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Says who? I never had any feeling from him that he wanted to tank when he spoke leading into the season and after it started.
I wouldn't say he was dead set on tanking, but if the team was not as good, he would not have a problem doing it.
KoolAid is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:20 PM   #51 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KoolAid View Post
I wouldn't say he was dead set on tanking, but if the team was not as good, he would not have a problem doing it.
If?

And IF we were really bad i still say he wouldn't do a full on tank job.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
...

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12,161
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
So we're grading him on what his future plan is/might be which hasn't been implemented rather then what he's done in his first 6 months?

OK...
I think it's true. If he's getting C's from a lot of the fans, what else could it be? Because if you just base it on his current body of work, he should at least get a B or B+, but because his plan hasn't been revealed yet, fans are fearful that he may have waited too long to make a move, and thus factor that into their grades. Grading him on the moves he hasn't made may not be fair, but it is what it is.
Ball Don't Lie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:24 PM   #53 (permalink)
If I ruled the world...

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Yes
Posts: 3,620
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
If?

And IF we were really bad i still say he wouldn't do a full on tank job.
We'll never know, I guess.
KoolAid is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:25 PM   #54 (permalink)
whatever

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: toronto
Posts: 10,417
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
How is Ujiri getting barely a grade above a C? lol
Personally, I'm a bit disappointed he wasn't able to position us for tanking, I think he's backed himself in a bit of a corner now. It may turn out for the best, the team may actually be good enough to eventually contend with just tweaks and smart drafting. I'm not all that optimistic. Hence the B grade.
moremilk is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:26 PM   #55 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
I think it's true. If he's getting C's from a lot of the fans, what else could it be? Because if you just base it on his current body of work, he should at least get a B or B+, but because his plan hasn't been revealed yet, fans are fearful that he may have waited too long to make a move, and thus factor that into their grades. Grading him on the moves he hasn't made may not be fair, but it is what it is.
We're grading players on how they've played TO DATE. Same should go for coaches and the GM. Shouldn't grade him less because he hasn't come out and listed his plans. That's ridiculous
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:30 PM   #56 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by moremilk View Post
Personally, I'm a bit disappointed he wasn't able to position us for tanking, I think he's backed himself in a bit of a corner now. It may turn out for the best, the team may actually be good enough to eventually contend with just tweaks and smart drafting. I'm not all that optimistic. Hence the B grade.
I think his plan is basically to aquire and retain as much talent as possible as well as future picks so he can eventually bolster the team with trades. I think he realizes you're not getting stars here unless you trade for them, they won't just sign here. In the meantime get s much depth as possible (ala Denver) and eventually parlay some of those players for higher end talent. Think Boston in 2007.

That being said, it's all a guess and grading him on anything other then what he's already don seems asinine to me.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:31 PM   #57 (permalink)
is all bout dat life

Can't knock the Hustle
 
Nites's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 15,083
Representing:
Default

Lowry: A
DD: A-
Patterson: B+
Amir: B
Ross: B
Valanciunas: B
Salmons: B
Hayes: B
Psycho T: C+
Vasquez: C
Nites is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:32 PM   #58 (permalink)
...

Senior Member

 
Ball Don't Lie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12,161
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
We're grading players on how they've played TO DATE. Same should go for coaches and the GM. Shouldn't grade him less because he hasn't come out and listed his plans. That's ridiculous
As moremilk said, he's backed himself into a corner because he let the team roll on after the Rudy trade when they started to win, and now we're essentially stuck where he said we wouldnt be, which is no mans land.

It may be ridiculous to grade him on something that hasn't happened, but the past plays a part into all of our thinking, and we've seen the same story unfold too many times to be comfortable with what we have right now. It may in fact be all a mirage because of the weak conference we play in, and the possibility that our best player won't return, in which case he'll get an F from me in the off season if we don't win a round this year, nor re-sign Lowry.
Ball Don't Lie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:35 PM   #59 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 81,104
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie View Post
As moremilk said, he's backed himself into a corner because he let the team roll on after the Rudy trade when they started to win, and now we're essentially stuck where he said we wouldnt be, which is no mans land.

It may be ridiculous to grade him on something that hasn't happened, but the past plays a part into all of our thinking, and we've seen the same story unfold too many times to be comfortable with what we have right now. It may in fact be all a mirage because of the weak conference we play in, and the possibility that our best player won't return, in which case he'll get an F from me in the off season if we don't win a round this year, nor re-sign Lowry.
To me no man's land isn't a playoff spot, possible division title, cap space the next couple years. The man has been on the job 6-7 months and made two huge moves, not sure why everyone expects him to do everything right away. And yes the weak conference has to be taken into account (which he brought up and knows about) but we also have had one of the shitiest schedules in the league and have done well.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2014, 01:38 PM   #60 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
MBailey85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto,Ontario
Posts: 2,512
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
We're grading players on how they've played TO DATE. Same should go for coaches and the GM. Shouldn't grade him less because he hasn't come out and listed his plans. That's ridiculous
What you're saying is true,overall it depends how much value a grader places in the letter. IMO,anything above C+ is good to me. For a player, anything in the A's is all star level unless it's an under the radar player who has greatly exceeded little to no expectations. For a GM like Ujiri, for me to give him above B+ is executive of the year candidacy territory, which I don't think he is right now.
MBailey85 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24