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Old 05-18-2011, 12:40 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Would you package the pick for a pick in next years draft. I don't really like the pg prospects and I know we have a much better shot of getting a good PG next year. I think we can get Kabongo.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:47 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Sorry Panda, I have to disagree with you. The was no clear-cut favorite like Kyrie Irving in the 2006 draft. We lost out big time yesterday with the draft. Cleveland will get their point guard of the future. The Raptors will be in a crap shoot. Lets just rely on BC making the right pick.
well, i would argue theres no clear cut this year either per se but theres a favorite. irving/williams is just like bargnani/alridge. when we drafted Bargnani we thought we were getting the next dirk and our future was set.....
point being you never know ESPECIALLY in a weak draft where the chances of busts are higher than usual.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:47 PM   #43 (permalink)
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yeah, but attendance is not the whole story
toronto might get fewer fans, but they are charged a lot more
Our ticket prices are probably some of the lowest in the NBA....
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:48 PM   #44 (permalink)
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i'm intrigued by Biyombo, he shot blocks and rebound, and he plays with a motor, plus he already has a nba body

Chad Ford said he can come in the league and at least stay on the floor because of his defence
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:53 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Our ticket prices are probably some of the lowest in the NBA....
Nope. Toronto's average ticket price (last listed for 2010) were above average.

For more info, just take a look at this.

https://www.teammarketing.com/public...10_NBA_FCI.pdf

Edit: Also note the FCI (which takes everything into account), the league in general went over by 1.1% but Toronto ended up increasing it by 6.6% (showing that they increased revenue beyond ticket sales).

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:23 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I couldn't disagree more with going "high risk" in the draft.

High risk picks recently include Hasheem Thabeet, Ricky Rubio, Danilo Gallinari (not even considered much of a risk to some), Yi Jianlian.

Aside from Danilo, who had the best pedigree of any Italian ever to enter the draft, the others are either complete busts or disappointments.

At #5, we will have lots of good, strong options available to us, some combination of Walker/Knight/Kanter/Leonard.
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Old 05-18-2011, 03:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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If Biyombo is actually 18...he's a very intriguing player, I agree.

Guy gets up so fast...can run the floor well and has a ridiculous wingspan.

Looks like an exciting prospect...
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:50 PM   #48 (permalink)
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i'm intrigued by Biyombo, he shot blocks and rebound, and he plays with a motor, plus he already has a nba body

Chad Ford said he can come in the league and at least stay on the floor because of his defence
Biyombo reminds me too much of Thabeet though. A guy that dominates on the defensive end on the amateur level, but still is very raw on offense. And thats not a good thing...
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:27 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Biyombo reminds me too much of Thabeet though. A guy that dominates on the defensive end on the amateur level, but still is very raw on offense. And thats not a good thing...
Thabeet and Biyombo look totally different.

Thabeet is just really long. Biyombo is an athlete.

Thabeet didn't have good strength, and he gets pushed around too much in the NBA because of his high center of gravity.

Biyombo should be more comfortable with the pace, power and athleticism of the NBA game.

I'm not saying he's going to be a great player. His offense is none existant. He needs to develop at least as a pick and roll guy. But, he could be a solid contributor on the right team.

Though, personally, I don't think Ben Wallace would have been a good fit with any team other than one that had scoring at all four remaining positions like those Detroit teams did.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:31 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Biyombo reminds me too much of Thabeet though. A guy that dominates on the defensive end on the amateur level, but still is very raw on offense. And thats not a good thing...
height wise and athletically a different player but your right about him dominating guys on the defensive end and amateur level

so it is a high risk pick, but if you got guys like Chad Ford saying he can at least stay on the floor on the defensive end, and has a high motor those guys usually work out

I would compare him to more of a Serj Ibaka type, but still thats the risk of taking any player in the draft,

we all know there probably be on 5 or 6 good players in the draft like the 2006 draft, we got one in Bargnani even though he probably is the 5th best playedr in his class, thsi draft is similar to that draft in the fact htat 20 player in the draft could end up being the best player in the draft

lets hope BC gets pulls another top 5 or 6 guy in this class, he's been consistent on geting guys that are top 5 or 6 in the draft, Bargs,Demar, Davis, and now lets see if he can do it again
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:08 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Biyombo= Another PF


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Old 05-18-2011, 10:48 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Who's the Better PG at 5?

^ This is a good thread, and i don't want to derail that conversation, so i'll post it as a follow up to the point i was trying to make here:

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if nothing is available you can still take walker or knight and be ok with that, but it's definitely worth exploring what options are out there with trades.
if you are going to take walker or knight you don't know how effective they're going to be at the nba level, but you are pretty clear that each one has big holes in their game that will need to be fixed or accommodated. whether it be knight's pg skills or walker's size, or whatever comparisons we make, these guys aren't likely to be anything more than role players for the coming few years at positions that are already full of role players. why not take this as a chance to make a move to get some proven talent?
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why not take this as a chance to make a move to get some proven talent?
See i have no problem with that. I mean if our #5 is moved with the TPE and say Bargnani or ???, i would think that could get us a couple solid players including a PG.
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:56 PM   #54 (permalink)
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i have no problem with trading the pick for a proven player. it's low risk. people get too excited by potential and the draft to think that it might be better trading the pick for raymond felton rather than drafting a player who could possibly be as good as raymond felton.
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i have no problem with trading the pick for a proven player. it's low risk. people get too excited by potential and the draft to think that it might be better trading the pick for raymond felton rather than drafting a player who could possibly be as good as raymond felton.
felton is a guy i was thinking about too. his contract is too big to be a backup, and i think they might want to go with lawson. he's a solid pg and a veteran, and we can't discount the numbers he was putting up in dantoni ball. would the nugs like the idea of having a shot at knight or walker to back up lawson going forward as they rebuild? could we make a convincing offer to them? would we be able to get rid of jose afterwards to create some salary relief at the pg position?
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people get too excited by potential and the draft to think that it might be better trading the pick for raymond felton rather than drafting a player who could possibly be as good as raymond felton.
Actually, potential is not the only concern. For some, that is not the factor. Maximizing current assets is part of it, too. For example, some of the players 'trane listed are available via FA. So, if possible, I'd rather keep the pick AND add other talent via FA signing or TPE and other trades (Barbossa is expiring). In fact, I think Barbossa is better than some of the vets we could get, assuming he is healthy.

But, having said that, I'm not 100% opposed to trading the pick if it is what's required to make a particular type of acquisition. It depends on the quality of the player. Some of the guys 'trane listed are not worth a #5 pick. No way do I want BC to give up the pick for Will Bynum or Shannon Brown type players.

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felton is a guy i was thinking about too. his contract is too big to be a backup, and i think they might want to go with lawson. he's a solid pg and a veteran, and we can't discount the numbers he was putting up in dantoni ball. would the nugs like the idea of having a shot at knight or walker to back up lawson going forward as they rebuild? could we make a convincing offer to them? would we be able to get rid of jose afterwards to create some salary relief at the pg position?
I like several of the players on the nuggets roster. Some will be FAs. I also like these guys you listed, although it might take additional filler or use of the TPE:

Mayo
Kaman (assuming he is willing to sign an extension)

My own:

I'd consider using the pick to acquire Wilson Chandler via S&T if that was possible.

edit - Just to be clear, I did like a couple of other suggestions, but I don't think they are possible. For example, Tony Allen, Sefolosha and Dorrell Wright. Their contracts are too efficient.

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Old 05-19-2011, 01:04 AM   #57 (permalink)
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IMO if Walker is available you most definitely take him. If he's not and Knight is, you take him. I do not want Kanter, I really hope he gets picked 3rd or 4th.
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Now, Wilson Chandler is a guy who would fit great on this team.

Big 3. Got the athleticism, size, defence and has big scoring too at times...him with DD and ED would be a SOLID core of two way players.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:44 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Biyombo reminds me too much of Thabeet though. A guy that dominates on the defensive end on the amateur level, but still is very raw on offense. And thats not a good thing...
Thabeet is a bust best had has no interest in the NBA. Everything I've read about him basically says that he doesn't try at all. That's not the case with Bismack.
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Now, Wilson Chandler is a guy who would fit great on this team.

Big 3. Got the athleticism, size, defence and has big scoring too at times...him with DD and ED would be a SOLID core of two way players.
i agree, but i don't think there's any way denver gives him up. i think he was the key piece of that trade with ny.
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