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Old 05-17-2011, 10:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Maybe Alec Burks or Jordan Hamilton.
Alec Burks. He will be a solid player. Great scorer. Low Risk High Reward type
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Even though Kanter's considered a top 5 pick and may be available I'd still hesitate picking him. I don't want to have another player on our roster who's going to be committed to his national team every dang summer. To much wear & tear on the guys who do this. Dirk is probably the one exception I've seen who doesn't seem to miss a beat.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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if it nets a proven nba player in a position that we can use, trade it. too many young guys anyways. someone else might get more out of taking a flyer on a young guy than we can. time to use the tpe bryan.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:35 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't want to trade it because we still need some impact guys which we won't get by trading it. At this point, take Kemba Walker and hope he develops chemistry with Ed and Demar and the rst of the guys.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
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if it nets a proven nba player in a position that we can use, trade it. too many young guys anyways. someone else might get more out of taking a flyer on a young guy than we can. time to use the tpe bryan.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:59 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It seems to me that Cleveland can't choose Irving at 1 then Knight/Kemba at 4.

If they really like one of Kemba/Knight then they could choose Derrick Williams at 1 then plan on Kemba/Knight being available at 4.

On the other hand, if they go with Irving at 1 then they probably won't have much choice but to grab Kanter/Biyombo/Valanciunas/Leonard/Vesely (basically no guards) at 4.
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Old 05-17-2011, 11:01 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I could definitely see Irving falling to the Jazz. I think that the Cavs could go with Derrick Williams first over all, and it's hard to see Minnesota picking Irving, though if I were Kahn that's exactly what I'd do, then try and move Rubio and Flynn for future picks or prospects.
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It may not be a great draft, but the #5 is an asset we did not have 3 hours ago. #5 and Jose does not get you Irving but packaged, I have to admit that it can get you an upgrade with a known commodity on his team going forward. That could be appealing.
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if it nets a proven nba player in a position that we can use, trade it. too many young guys anyways. someone else might get more out of taking a flyer on a young guy than we can. time to use the tpe bryan.
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Out of curiousity, do either of you guys have quality players in mind that you think are obtainable?
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:23 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Every pick in this draft at #5 is high risk.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:27 AM   #31 (permalink)
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It may not be a great draft, but the #5 is an asset we did not have 3 hours ago. #5 and Jose does not get you Irving but packaged, I have to admit that it can get you an upgrade with a known commodity on his team going forward. That could be appealing.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:29 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Fuck it, lets take a flyer on Biyombo. :cookie:
i'm intrigued by Biyombo, he shot blocks and rebound, and he plays with a motor, plus he already has a nba body

Chad Ford said he can come in the league and at least stay on the floor because of his defence
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:32 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Out of curiousity, do either of you guys have quality players in mind that you think are obtainable?

i don't, but there have to be lots of options. we're basically just assembling a couple more pieces and we'll see where the chips fall. we'll probably be pretty bad next year anyways, resulting in another lottery pick - quite possibly another top 5 one at that. i don't see a ton of value in adding another young guy to the mix this year in the hope that he grows into a star in the long run when the chances of that are pretty slim. so why not go for a guy that's an already proven role player in a position of need? (i realize that you are not asking me this)

i can't imagine that there are no (or even few) teams out there that are willing to get rid of a veteran who is redundant in return for a top-5 pick.

i almost don't care about position, although a finesse 4 is not a good idea. but a veteran guard that can defend, a backup 2 or 3 that can hit 3's, maybe a big if we put a package together and use the tpe? all of these seem to me like options that are at least as good as picking walker or knight and hoping they are better than bayless, or taking biyombo and hoping he's the next ibaka, or kanter and hoping that he can actually play against nba players, etc.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:50 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It may not be a great draft, but the #5 is an asset we did not have 3 hours ago. #5 and Jose does not get you Irving but packaged, I have to admit that it can get you an upgrade with a known commodity on his team going forward. That could be appealing.
BC said it is highly, highly unlikely he trades his pick. He basically said no to all unless it's an offer he can't refuse.

However, he probably thought he was getting top 3.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:25 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Out of curiousity, do either of you guys have quality players in mind that you think are obtainable?
ok, i thought about it for a bit. i don't know for sure if any of these guys are actually available. most of them would have some criticisms and some upside. many of them would certainly involve some kind of multiplayer deal, some of them not. i am interested in almost all of these guys (or i think they are at least available because of redundancy or rebuilding needs). anyways, here's what i came up with on first glance as some possibilities. i'm sure i will get flamed for much of it, but i think a decent argument could be made for the following:

shannon brown, landry fields, jared dudley, kaman/jordan, ryan gomes?, dorell wright, udho/lee/biedrins?, stucky, will bynum, monroe?, morrow, paul george, ariza, afflalo/jr smith/lawson/felton, marvin williams, kirk hinrich, louis williams, tony allen/oj mayo/sam young/battier, sefolosha/maynor, berea/beaubois/brewer...

then there are the al jefferson's and iguodala's of the league. people have talked about what memphis is going to do with a couple of their guys when rudy gay comes back (or even what happens with gay himself).

point is that a top 5 pick has quite a bit of value in the right situation, and often more value to veteran rebuilding teams or veteran capped out teams than it does to a youthful teams that are already well underway with the rebuild. there must be some options out there. there are certainly teams that have redundancies.

if nothing is available you can still take walker or knight and be ok with that, but it's definitely worth exploring what options are out there with trades.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:40 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Fcuk it.. pray for a lockout and another lottery next year with the same odds! :cookie:
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:32 AM   #37 (permalink)
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probably the worst lottery luck in nba history, not even the lottery just dumb luck

think about it, Camby vs Iverson

2006 we won the draft in a year where there was no our right first overall pick, this years draft is the weakest draft since 2006 and is talked about being worse

next year was the year to tank, there is 5 potential allstars already in that draft
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:35 AM   #38 (permalink)
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If we got High Risk I'd say lets totally risk. I would say let's Keep Bargnani, Draft Donatas Motiejunas( Pf ) and we will have PF and C who can both shoot well. Kleiza will be back he is sorta a shooter and let's face if If Kleiza won't be having double team on his Bargs and Motiejunas might have because they are offensive players and that would be really good for DeRozen to play one on one more often. Just a tought.
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this might be a blessing in disguise. as we saw in the 2006 draft, in a weak draft the top picks may not actually turn out to be the best players of that draft. gay was taken 9th, LA at 2 and rondo at 19? they're the best from that draft and are all-star/borderline allstar in their primes.
picking at 5 it saves us from having high expectations and also a higher chance the teams selecting before us will be selecting busts.

just thinking optimistically
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:38 PM   #40 (permalink)
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this might be a blessing in disguise. as we saw in the 2006 draft, in a weak draft the top picks may not actually turn out to be the best players of that draft. gay was taken 9th, LA at 2 and rondo at 19? they're the best from that draft and are all-star/borderline allstar in their primes.
picking at 5 it saves us from having high expectations and also a higher chance the teams selecting before us will be selecting busts.

just thinking optimistically
Sorry Panda, I have to disagree with you. The was no clear-cut favorite like Kyrie Irving in the 2006 draft. We lost out big time yesterday with the draft. Cleveland will get their point guard of the future. The Raptors will be in a crap shoot. Lets just rely on BC making the right pick.
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