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Old 01-31-2011, 05:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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None of the above.

Both got off to good starts this season, but they've trailed off big-time lately.
Not sold on Derozan as our #1 guy, but trailed off big time?

His last 5 games he's averaging 20ppg/5rpg while shooting right around 45%.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Until Derozan starts hitting 80% of his ft and getting over 350 trips to the line in a season he is a second option.

If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court. Sure he is a shitty defensive player, maybe even the worst starting at his position, I wont argue with you on that. But no one has close to his touch on this team. And I would make the argument that the rest of our front court is shittier at offense then Bargs is on Defense. So what are you going to do?
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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the dude air-balled a layup. he's got a great touch all right. a very light touch at that.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Until Derozan starts hitting 80% of his ft and getting over 350 trips to the line in a season he is a second option.

If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court. Sure he is a shitty defensive player, maybe even the worst starting at his position, I wont argue with you on that. But no one has close to his touch on this team. And I would make the argument that the rest of our front court is shittier at offense then Bargs is on Defense. So what are you going to do?
Well he's shooting 78% from the line and is on pace for 350FTA for the season. Are you saying that 2% shooting from the line is what's keeping him from being a #1 guy here?
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:27 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Until Derozan starts hitting 80% of his ft and getting over 350 trips to the line in a season he is a second option.

If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court. Sure he is a shitty defensive player, maybe even the worst starting at his position, I wont argue with you on that. But no one has close to his touch on this team. And I would make the argument that the rest of our front court is shittier at offense then Bargs is on Defense. So what are you going to do?
HUH???
u just said "If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court."
please explain to me how that is not one dimensional
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:40 PM   #26 (permalink)
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None of the above.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:56 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well he's shooting 78% from the line and is on pace for 350FTA for the season. Are you saying that 2% shooting from the line is what's keeping him from being a #1 guy here?
Yes, not so much for the numbers themselves but the mentality that comes with it. And lets face it those are pretty soft goals I am putting up there for a primary scorer.

Like you am just not sold on giving him the majority of touches. He was saying after the Minny games he is still adjusting to teams adjusting to him. Case in point he is not being allowed to come off screens as easily, on pull ups and drives to the basket. I think with his skill set he should be getting to line, because he has ability to punish teams. Its confidence and experience that is holding him back.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:58 PM   #28 (permalink)
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HUH???
u just said "If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court."
please explain to me how that is not one dimensional
first you explain to me how it is.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:01 PM   #29 (permalink)
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HUH???
u just said "If you think Bargs is one dimensional your crazy he has the ability to score any where in the half court."
please explain to me how that is not one dimensional
one dimensional would be jason kapono... dell curry even. AB has several dimensions to his attacking game, unfortunately he's not pressing enough of them consistently.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:16 PM   #30 (permalink)
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you guys gotta be kidding me....
one dimensional meaning he's just a scorer (inconsistant one at that)
he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, he doesn't do the little things

in the recent past there were articles because of all the melo trade rumours saying things like...whats with all the fuss surrounding a one dimensional player even tho that one dimension being very very good, etc...
or even up to a few years ago people considered durant one dimensional
and you guys think Bargs in multi-dimensional?? lol
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:26 PM   #31 (permalink)
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you guys gotta be kidding me....
one dimensional meaning he's just a scorer (inconsistant one at that)
he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, he doesn't do the little things

in the recent past there were articles because of all the melo trade rumours saying things like...whats with all the fuss surrounding a one dimensional player even tho that one dimension being very very good, etc...
or even up to a few years ago people considered durant one dimensional
and you guys think Bargs in multi-dimensional?? lol
Bargnani was never multi-dimensional. He just scores inconsistently. Sure, he is talented for his size, but it means nothing if you're inconsistent and lead the team through 11 consecutive losses.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Bargnani was never multi-dimensional. He just scores inconsistently. Sure, he is talented for his size, but it means nothing if you're inconsistent and lead the team through 11 consecutive losses.
Scully and Carp seem to think so....
well in their defense they said Bargs is not one dimensional, so they could mean two things, multi-dimensional or no dimensions lol
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:31 PM   #33 (permalink)
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you guys gotta be kidding me....
one dimensional meaning he's just a scorer (inconsistant one at that)
he doesn't rebound, he doesn't play defense, he doesn't do the little things

in the recent past there were articles because of all the melo trade rumours saying things like...whats with all the fuss surrounding a one dimensional player even tho that one dimension being very very good, etc...
or even up to a few years ago people considered durant one dimensional
and you guys think Bargs in multi-dimensional?? lol
I think there is just a bit of confusion on the use of theterm one dimensional. what I am saying is you have to be crazy if you think he is a one dimensional scorer, He can score any where in the half court.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:35 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I think there is just a bit of confusion on the use of theterm one dimensional. what I am saying is you have to be crazy if you think he is a one dimensional scorer, He can score any where in the half court.
k, if thats what u meant then i agree but when people use th term dimension its usually for different facits of the game and not within a category like scoring
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Bargnani was never multi-dimensional. He just scores inconsistently. Sure, he is talented for his size, but it means nothing if you're inconsistent and lead the team through 11 consecutive losses.
It's amazing how that logic can be so skewed when applied sporadically. Brook Lopez was the cat's pajamas last year and they were nearly the worst team in history. Only one example yes, but when a guy averages 20+ over a season and is called inconsistent.... something has to give.

All bad teams struggle with consistently, and Bargnan i isn't the only player on this team that could stand to improve in several areas. But if you want to include offence in it's entirety as one dimension then we could say Dikembe was one dimensional too (in his day). It just smacks of hate.

People on here love other bad team's studs and yet bash AB for his team's inability to win. It's comical. Doesn't matter how loud or often you say it, it's still not impartial or fact.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:50 PM   #36 (permalink)
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bargs has more expierience but i trust dd more..
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:53 PM   #37 (permalink)
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k, if thats what u meant then i agree but when people use th term dimension its usually for different facits of the game and not within a category like scoring
thought it was pretty clear in my original post. I think most people are not lumping basketball ability in to three categories or is "the little things" number four.
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But if you want to include offence in it's entirety as one dimension then we could say Dikembe was one dimensional too (in his day). [quote]

thats exactly what dikembe is, he's one dimensional, but during his time he was one of the best defenders so he was a consistant allstar
same thing is melo with his one dimension being offense and that has made him an all start year in and year out.

the term dimension is suppose to represent a category, but discribe within a category. case in point, no one says hes a multi-dimensional defender....
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But if you want to include offence in it's entirety as one dimension then we could say Dikembe was one dimensional too (in his day).
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thats exactly what dikembe is, he's one dimensional, but during his time he was one of the best defenders so he was a consistant allstar
same thing is melo with his one dimension being offense and that has made him an all start year in and year out.

the term dimension is suppose to represent a category, but discribe within a category. case in point, no one says hes a multi-dimensional defender....
rebounding isn't defence..... therefore Dike wasn't one dimensional... I don't think there are many guys in the league that are.
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thought it was pretty clear in my original post. I think most people are not lumping basketball ability in to three categories or is "the little things" number four.
LOL
ur making a big deal that Bargs is a multi-dimensional scorer....
its not that impressive
tell me how many one-dimensional scorers are there??
one-dimensional scorers don't last in the L if thats all they got
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