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jeffb 04-21-2012 06:18 PM

Ganter: Can Colangelo afford to be patient this summer?
 
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As it stands now, the Raptors will finish somewhere between third and ninth from the bottom in the NBA.

In the draft lottery that will earn the Raptors anywhere from a 15.6% shot at the first overall pick for finishing 27th to a 1.7% chance should they move up to 21st.

So yes, there is a slightly better chance of landing Anthony Davis if they lose their remaining games.

You can also argue that the higher you pick the better chance you have of drafting a superior player. And if drafting were an exact science you would be right, but of course it isn’t.

Fact is what this team does over the final three games is almost irrelevant.

If there is a chance to land Davis, it’s extremely long odds one way or the other. It’s a shot in the dark.

And after Davis the argument can be made there is no quick fix in this draft. The drop off after him is substantial.

The Raptors, as we mentioned, might trade their first pick.

They will already be adding Jonas Valanciunas next season. Despite all that you have heard about his exploits at the under-19 FIBA world championship and later the senior men’s Eurobasket championship, Valanciunas will require time and plenty of patience before he’s NBA ready.

Now throw another first-round selection from this year’s draft into the mix. That’s two roster spots taken up by players who likely won’t contribute much in their first season in the league.

Then factor in GM Bryan Colangelo. Colangelo will be in the second year of a two-year extension and you have to wonder if he can afford to be that patient.

Does he trade the pick?

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It’s about this time that probably half the Raptors fan base throws up its hands and screams at the top of their lungs, “No, heavens, no. A thousand times no.”

You’ve waited this long for a contender, you’re willing to stay the course, right?

The Raptors, as an organization, is not. At least all signs point that way.

From Colangelo who needs to see immediate progress to Dwane Casey who wants it sooner rather the later, the more likely play is to package the pick with one of your existing assets and turn it into an experienced NBA veteran.

The kind who has already established himself in the league and doesn’t need to be brought up to speed. The kind who can help you right away.

Bring a second rookie into the fold and you’re not only not going to be able to help him as much, you’re going to take away from the help you can give Valanciunas.

Obviously if the Raptors do luck out and somehow land that No. 1 pick that brings with it Anthony Davis, all bets are off.

Otherwise this just might be the path the Raptors choose to take.

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Ball Don't Lie 04-21-2012 06:37 PM

I swear if we trade our 1st round pick for a veteran who wont help us be anything but a treadmill 7th or 8th seed because our management wants to make more money and save their jobs because they couldnt rebuild right the first time I'm done with this team.

jeffb 04-21-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 637664)
I swear if we trade our 1st round pick for a veteran who wont help us be anything but a treadmill 7th or 8th seed because our management wants to make more money and save their jobs because they couldnt rebuild right the first time I'm done with this team.

If we end up with 7-9th pick or worse i hope we do trade the pick in a package that can land us a player with some experience, a player say in the 27-29yrs of age range that can really help this team. It all depends on what player it is.

Ball Don't Lie 04-21-2012 06:46 PM

I just dont want us ending up with another Turkoglu/JO. I dont trust BC, thats probably my biggest fear with thinking about this. He has another opportunity with a young team with a top pick+cap space after fucking it up the first time. If he fucks it up again, another 4-5 years of sucking is something I cannot take.

jeffb 04-21-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92 (Post 637666)
I just dont want us ending up with another Turkoglu/JO. I dont trust BC, thats probably my biggest fear with thinking about this. He has another opportunity with a young team with a top pick+cap space after fucking it up the first time. If he fucks it up again, another 4-5 years of sucking is something I cannot take.

I trust him. But he's only as good as his options, especially when it comes to Free agency. I mean if a deal can be had that can land us an Iguodala type of player i would do it in a heartbeat. Just as an example, if you can trade the #7 pick + Davis + filler for Iguodala wouldn't you do that?

DocHoliday99 04-21-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 637667)
I trust him. But he's only as good as his options, especially when it comes to Free agency. I mean if a deal can be had that can land us an Iguodala type of player i would do it in a heartbeat. Just as an example, if you can trade the #7 pick + Davis + filler for Iguodala wouldn't you do that?

I might do that but then again, the team needs help and we are still 1-2 years away. I would hate it if the team got impatient.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 04-22-2012 12:35 AM

Just not going to happen or he would have veered off the plan already.

DrFunk3385 04-22-2012 12:51 AM

Great idea. It worked so well when we traded Hibbert and picked up the decaying corpse of Jermaine O'Neal. Also worked out well when we picked up 'ready-now' need guys like Haffa, and Joey Graham instead of Iguodala and Granger.

halphbreedballer 04-22-2012 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 637667)
I trust him. But he's only as good as his options, especially when it comes to Free agency. I mean if a deal can be had that can land us an Iguodala type of player i would do it in a heartbeat. Just as an example, if you can trade the #7 pick + Davis + filler for Iguodala wouldn't you do that?

I'm on the fence about this kind of deal...
Iggy is well meh to me.

pzabby 04-22-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer (Post 637723)
I'm on the fence about this kind of deal...
Iggy is well meh to me.

7th pick and eddy D, I wouldn't. Given iguodalas contract status, and the fact that we'd be giving up two solid prospects for what, a 28 year old sf? pass. maybe if we got a pg out of the deal somehow then yeah sure, but otherwise..

box92 04-22-2012 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 637728)
7th pick and eddy D, I wouldn't. Given iguodalas contract status, and the fact that we'd be giving up two solid prospects for what, a 28 year old sf? pass. maybe if we got a pg out of the deal somehow then yeah sure, but otherwise..

7th pick and ed for iggy and their pick?

rapsmannn 04-22-2012 04:01 AM

anthony davis is the only prospect that you can say will be successful in the nba, which just dont know how much, will he be marcus camby or kevin garnett

the other players are 50/50 chance,

i would prefer to trade for experienced guy in the 22 to 27 range of age that fits our core well

i would go out and sign o.j mayo instead, we need a outside shooter who can play some d

bc has a ton of options in the summer, hes been waiting since chris bosh left for this summer, he will come with his best game

Metallikid 04-22-2012 06:59 AM

Guys are getting locked into extensions earlier and with bigger sums than ever. Have dedicated scouts and draft the best player available. Groom them to become superstars and with a little luck you can grow a core of youth into a team that can win within a few seasons. Mortgaging the farm to put us over the top only works when we've already been established as legitimate threats in the playoffs consistently. With that said, I think you keep it only if it remains a top 5 pick. Otherwise ship it with a pf for a proven and relatively young wing or combo guard. At the very least try to trade up one of our pfs besides Bargs and JV into Paul Millsap.

LOG 04-22-2012 10:34 AM

Hell no! If we do want to ever be good we have to stay patient. Add through the FA, but dont trade the pick

cloudnine 04-22-2012 10:52 AM

We don't need veteran help; we need an infusion of talent. I, too, would be furious if we got even a top 10 pick and traded it for a middling player on the pretense of "help now". Unless it's an absolute heist of a trade, please don't trade away our future. This is likely to be the last high pick we make for the foreseeable future, to squander it would be extremely disappointing.

jeffb 04-22-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 637728)
Given iguodalas contract status, and the fact that we'd be giving up two solid prospects for what, a 28 year old sf?

What does him being 28 have anything to do with it? He's not 38.

Don Vito 04-22-2012 11:15 AM

Why is andre iguodala even being discussed? I sure as hell wouldn't want him here.

DocHoliday99 04-22-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 637749)
Why is andre iguodala even being discussed? I sure as hell wouldn't want him here.

Iggy is being discussed cause that was the example thrown out and everyone has run with it. That, and Iggy is a really good SF that plays great D.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 04-22-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday99 (Post 637782)
Iggy is being discussed cause that was the example thrown out and everyone has run with it. That, and Iggy is a really good SF that plays great D.

Iggy is a really good SG/SF that plays great D.

Ball Don't Lie 04-22-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 637749)
Why is andre iguodala even being discussed? I sure as hell wouldn't want him here.

Why not? He's exactly what we would need out of our starting 3. He's a do it all forward who rebounds, can handle the ball, is extremely unselfish, can knock down shots, and is possibly the best perimeter defender in the NBA. Why wouldnt you want him on this team? And I watched a show where he said Toronto is his favorite city in the NBA. He'd be awesome here.

If Demar can improve his overall game, they'd be an awesome 2/3 combination. We'd just need the right PG at that point.


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