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Old 12-06-2007, 10:48 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Man,

We just got beat by a better team. Their ball movement is superb. The ball just zips around the court with them. The second they get that open look they're gonna hit it. They just know how to play with eachother, they play with a damn sixth sense out on the court.

Our guys, well they played well. But I'm still impressed by Jose. Offensively he's Steve Nash lite version as Raptors123 is alluding to, however he needs to learn how to play better defense. Hell, our entire team played brutal defense but again with the way the Suns just move the ball around the court, I'd expect a team to get at least an open look even if it was Raja freaking Bell who killed us.
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Man,

We just got beat by a better team. Their ball movement is superb. The ball just zips around the court with them. The second they get that open look they're gonna hit it. They just know how to play with eachother, they play with a damn sixth sense out on the court.

Our guys, well they played well. But I'm still impressed by Jose. Offensively he's Steve Nash lite version as Raptors123 is alluding to, however he needs to learn how to play better defense. Hell, our entire team played brutal defense but again with the way the Suns just move the ball around the court, I'd expect a team to get at least an open look even if it was Raja freaking Bell who killed us.
Did you still go to the game last night CG? If so, how was it live?
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:58 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Did you still go to the game last night CG? If so, how was it live?
Nah, things changed at the last second so I had to give them up. Again, it didn't bother me seeing as how we played a pretty brutal game.

However, I'm glad that Smitch decided to go with one of my suggestions by playing Calderon and Ford together. That worked pretty well for a short period of time.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:42 PM   #64 (permalink)
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It was cool to see them both in the game, I would like to see that in a competitive game.
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Old 12-06-2007, 02:29 PM   #65 (permalink)
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start jose, tj would be great off the bench, when he would be required to score more than to pass. It's more important to have Jose play with the starters to get them going, and then have TJ to maintain the scoring off the bench ...
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tj gets the starters going. he's averaging just as many assists as jose. they play differently but to me, saying one's better suited for starting than the other is a moot point. the bring different things to the table, and so present different difficulties to opposing defenses. jose's more in control. tj's more unpredictable. i'd say both are tough defend and the philosophy here is "pick your poison".
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Old 12-06-2007, 03:51 PM   #67 (permalink)
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The problem with having both pgs in there together, is that it is going to take away from possibly more important players like Parker and Delfino in the big picture.

And it just doesn't matter who starts.
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Old 12-06-2007, 03:54 PM   #68 (permalink)
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tj gets the starters going. he's averaging just as many assists as jose. they play differently but to me, saying one's better suited for starting than the other is a moot point. the bring different things to the table, and so present different difficulties to opposing defenses. jose's more in control. tj's more unpredictable. i'd say both are tough defend and the philosophy here is "pick your poison".
TJ's more unpredictable both to the other team and his own. I like Jose as a starter - he gets EVERYONE involved. TJ had the benefit of playing with Bosh (who was the recipient of a lot of TJ's assists) while Jose has not for the most part, and their assits numbers are similar.

I'm liking TJ off the bench more and more; while undersized he can look for his shot more now (which he seems interested in doing) and he still breaks down the D all the time. We have Nash-lite and Barbosa-lite it seems...
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jose looks for his own shot. it looks like he isnt doing it out of the flow of the offense because he's more in control than TJ. I would disagree with you also in asserting that his teammates are lost with what TJ does.
If anything, the improvement in his numbers as last year went on was because i think tj not only met his teammates half way, but they did the same as well. there was a collective compromise, and i think they've accustomed themselves to him as much as he has them.
I definitely dont think we have anything near to nash-lite and barbosa-lite. the point guard situation isnt an issue. who starts doesnt matter. im more interested in whats better for this team long term and what will get them winning again.
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TJ gets everyone involved. I haven't seen Parker or Rasho lacking at all. Moon's gotten his for the short time he's been starting. Bargnani has had ample opportunity to clang a dozen off the rim each night. Mentally he's been tested through the bulk of a couple of seasons, and has been proven to be effective.

Meanwhile Jose's steadiness isn't exactly gold when extrapolated to a full season. In Washington he constantly stood dribbling while the shot clock wound down to a few seconds. He is in need of being able to make things happen at times, instead of just being the steady guy. It's mostly a mental thing as far as I can tell, and he's getting good in the mental department. He doesn't get shaky under pressure now, and he doesn't take wild shots. But he does still slow down too much when he's guarded well or is a little mentally tired.

I still say give them both two seasons and they are not that much different from each other.
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jose looks for his own shot. it looks like he isnt doing it out of the flow of the offense because he's more in control than TJ. I would disagree with you also in asserting that his teammates are lost with what TJ does.
I think Jose is shooting to keep the defense honest, he likes passing a lot more than shooting. TJ on the other hand, he can assist, but he likes shooting a lot more. The sad part is that he can't really shoot, unless he's relatively close to the basket, and then he has to shoot over everybody, and that's why he has so many of these fadeways.

Ideally, a pg should alternate shooting with passing, if you look at nash, he rarely does the same thing twice in a row. In he's shooting now, the next possesion he'll penetrate, the next he will pass and so on. When TJ starts shooting, he will never stop - everybody in the arena knows what he will do, but he still does it nevertheless ...
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