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Old 03-30-2008, 09:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
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LOL, the +14 was the scrub city at the end of the game. Both pgs didnt do much this game.

And again, Smitch is a fucking idiot. 2 days to prepare and we get THAT? We played right into the Hornets hands. It was like a scrimmage for them. Paul dribbles around til our defence fucks up and they get a wide open shot from a great jumpshooter or they back off and he kills us. Bosh cant defend his shadow, I dunno why we didnt at least try to double more then once once West has 10 after 4 minutes of fucking play. You HAVE to double when Rasho cant even guard him.

I was hoping Graham would play today so we'd at least have a shot vs Wells, then Mitchell does his usual shitty coaching and puts our skinniest player on the best postup guard in the NBA.

We may as well have put Calderon on West and re signed Martin to guard Wells.

An inanimate object would have done a better coaching job than Sam this game. NO adjustments on the fucking pick and roll even in the 2nd half, just embarrassing.
I thought you went to the game. Did you take the concord back to Ottawa?

Anyhow, I missed the game fellas ..... tell me, how bad was it? According to the score it didn't look that horrible or is the score misleading?
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:17 PM   #42 (permalink)
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BTW, did I hear this correctly and Kapono started instead of Moon? What gives?

A few weeks ago I was calling for Moon coming out but as of late I've thought he's been one of the better Raptors and consistent too.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:42 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The game would have been closer if everyone made their open look shots, just like NO did.

The team that had Jose and TJ, on the floor, at the end of the half should've been given a chance to start the 3rd. I thought they were keeping up with NO. This was a game not play the normal rotation.

I like that Delfino was given more minutes. I have a feeling he'll have get his shooting touch back.

But the outcome was as expected. :-(
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:48 PM   #44 (permalink)
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The reason why Kapono was a starter is to match NO line up???, the problem is that they run a well organized offense, as a matter of fact they were moving the ball like that team.........uhmmmmmmmmmmm, yes now I remember like Toronto on that game with New Orleans on Dec 31, and today we change scenario and script, in that game we had a different line-up with somehow more energy, Jose, Jamario and Andrea were starters, and when you are playing a team as tough as No, if you don't make a statement earlier in the game, forget about it. So if you want to open a decent debate you should be asking yourself what's the differents between now and them?

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Old 03-31-2008, 02:41 AM   #45 (permalink)
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LOL, the +14 was the scrub city at the end of the game.
Well without that, it still would've been about +5 for Jose and -18 TJ. And for the last 10 games and the season it's still beating, +9 for Jose to TJ's -53 for the former and +195 to -35 overall. I mean I'm not in love with the +/- stat or anything, but when you're talking about 2 PGs and it's that big a difference, it's hard to ignore.

But I agree the problem this game wasn't anything to do with ball distrubution, we actually moved it ok on offense. The d was just horrid.
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I love how the new this season, never discussed until now +/- stat has become such and important stat in the last week or so.

Bargs and Hump had better +/-'s yesterday. Does that make them better than Rasho and Bosh?

Oh wait let me answer that for you. They played with Jose.

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Defence was horrid.

Chris Paul is good.

Gets a lot of calls too.

Ford as per usual is disinterested on defence on a lot of possesions.
Could be frustration from having no help behind him though.

I still think Bosh is a star, but no place near superstar. He's second tier franchise.

West is wicked, I'd trade um straight up.
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Old 03-31-2008, 11:00 AM   #48 (permalink)
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And please, cut some slack to poor Sam, he spent most of his preparation coming up with schemes on how to stop Bonzi Wells,
Yeah, that worked out well. He just backed Moon under the basket everytime and laid it in with no help there. Great defensive scheme.

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I thought you went to the game. Did you take the concord back to Ottawa?

Anyhow, I missed the game fellas ..... tell me, how bad was it? According to the score it didn't look that horrible or is the score misleading?
Naw we drove. 4 hours driving ourselves>>>>5 hours in uncomfortable bus.

They mutilated us. When we stopped scoring for a stretch in the 3rd they just blew it open because we couldnt stop their main 2 options.
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I love how the new this season, never discussed until now +/- stat has become such and important stat in the last week or so.

Bargs and Hump had better +/-'s yesterday. Does that make them better than Rasho and Bosh?

Oh wait let me answer that for you. They played with Jose.

actually yes, it does. At least for that game. Bosh and Rasho were horrible last night, west abused them at will. Also, keep in mind that you must divide the +/- by the number of minutes played, to get an accurate assesment.

I have the feeling that you question the usefullness of the +/-, as it was "just another statistic". +/- is not a statistic, it's reality. The only thing that is not taken into account is the level of opposition. Backups play against backups and starters against starters, although it overlaps at times. But in the end, when Bargnani was on the floor, we were gaining ground, when Bosh was on the floor, we were losing ground.

And generally speaking, Bosh has a much higher +/- than anybody on our team. So don't even try to twist my post, I'm not saying that Andreea is better than Bosh or Rasho right now, just that he played better last night. Actually Hump has a very nice game, and was the main factor behind our late push.

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But I agree the problem this game wasn't anything to do with ball distrubution, we actually moved it ok on offense. The d was just horrid.
and speaking of D, when jose and TJ were both on the floor, Sam had Jose on Chris Paul. Maybe there are things that Jose does on defence that are not very visible for the average fan, maybe it's just the level of effort, who knows. Not that Jose did a fabulous job, or anything like that - but it's kind of obvious that right now Sam has more trust in Jose than in TJ on the defensive side of things.
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