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Old 02-15-2012, 12:03 AM   #621 (permalink)
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It could be beneficial if it's part of a longer term plan. "Could be". If moving Jose enables upgrades at other spots, then you might have a net gain. Depends what you can get. But, like I said, I have so much difficulty seeing a move happen in the next 12 months, that I've given up calling for trades. Unless a team gets desperate, and offers BC something sweet, I increasingly think Jose will stay here and eventually re-sign to become the back-up.
See? That was easy. Because that's precisely what I think and precisely for the same reasons. Not because I worship Jose, but because I am a realist. I don't believe in a mysterious "deal" that will magically fall out of the sky and improve our team at PG position using Jose as a trade bait. And, frankly, for this team, PG is going to be the most important position for the next 2-3 years, at least.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:05 AM   #622 (permalink)
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Many people, especially recent immigrants to Canada, still feel deep ties with their home country, and especially when you're talking about a relatively new sport, it's understandable to feel pride towards a fellow countrymen. I'm sure there wouldn't be nearly as much excitement if this was table tennis or whatever else is popular over there, but basketball is huge in China and they had few nba players.

as far as disposable income, the quality of the team probably has as much to do with the absence of hardcore fans as any other reasons ... Hard to feel too excited, particularly if you're hailing from the armored division ...
My version of "hardcore" would go even if the team was losing, assuming it was a bit cheaper. But I totally see your point. The losing definitely does not help.

Also, the "deep ties" stuff is true, but it's still sort of silly, to me, because he is from the States, not China.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:05 AM   #623 (permalink)
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Sweet. So we're back to the same arguments that were being levelled against Bosh when we he was here.... and guess what? Our team sucked THEN too!

ONE PLAYER WILL NOT TAKE THIS SORRY-ASS TEAM ANYWHERE.

TEAMS win titles... not players. No matter how much the media would like you to believe otherwise.
But you see, with Bosh it was mostly whether or not he was a "franchise" or a "max player" - noone really wanted to trade him. With Jose, it's just pure "begone"!!!
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:05 AM   #624 (permalink)
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Sweet. So we're back to the same arguments that were being levelled against Bosh when we he was here.... and guess what? Our team sucked THEN too!

ONE PLAYER WILL NOT TAKE THIS SORRY-ASS TEAM ANYWHERE.

TEAMS win titles... not players. No matter how much the media would like you to believe otherwise.
One player?


That's funny, if Calderon is so great and played with an all-star doesn't that mean we had two very good players and we should have been better? Add to that he "makes other players better" we should have done better, no?
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:09 AM   #625 (permalink)
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That's funny, if Calderon is so great and played with an all-star doesn't that mean we had two very good players and we should have been better? Add to that he "makes other players better" we should have done better, no?
We made the playoffs twice and should have made it a third time (if Bosh didn't get injured). And unfortunately Jose isn't an all-star. A good player, yes, but not an all-star.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:09 AM   #626 (permalink)
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Nope. Why doesn't Jose help to lift Davis off the floor so that extra height is achieved, necessary for ALL the shots to be blocked?! He could also talk the angels into better guiding DD's bricks into the basket. Oh, wait a minute. That's Lin's job.
Why is it that DD is looking to create for himself when he can't dribble. Why is it that we get to see a guy like Kleiza gets to take more than 2 dribbles (when it's one of his weaknesses) in a clutch situation (LA game). It's because of lack of penetration by the PG to create opportunities for teammates. Look at Lin's play tonight - he made the defense collapse a number of times to create opportunities for Knicks' bigs. Can you say the same about Jose? He didn't even need to get doubled to be ineffective - D'antoni just put Shumpert on him and he struggled.
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Why is it that DD is looking to create for himself when he can't dribble. Why is it that we get to see a guy like Kleiza gets to take more than 2 dribbles (when it's one of his weaknesses) in a clutch situation (LA game). It's because of lack of penetration by the PG to create opportunities for teammates. Look at Lin's play tonight - he made the defense collapse a number of times to create opportunities for Knicks' bigs. Can you say the same about Jose? He didn't even need to get doubled to be ineffective - D'antoni just put Shumpert on him and he struggled.
And your solution to this problem is....? Trade Calderon, right?
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:13 AM   #628 (permalink)
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:13 AM   #629 (permalink)
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And your solution to this problem is....? Trade Calderon, right?
Nope

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If we trade Calderon we'll downgrade ourselves to WAS level. Which wont be such a bad thing.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:14 AM   #631 (permalink)
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And your solution to this problem is....? Trade Calderon, right?
Not per se but trade him for pick/s or prospect. Start over. Move on with a different guy at the 1.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:14 AM   #632 (permalink)
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Why is it that DD is looking to create for himself when he can't dribble. Why is it that we get to see a guy like Kleiza gets to take more than 2 dribbles (when it's one of his weaknesses) in a clutch situation (LA game). It's because of lack of penetration by the PG to create opportunities for teammates. Look at Lin's play tonight - he made the defense collapse a number of times to create opportunities for Knicks' bigs. Can you say the same about Jose? He didn't even need to get doubled to be ineffective - D'antoni just put Shumpert on him and he struggled.
Shumpert's a pretty good defender for a rookie. He's among the league leaders in STLs. No reason to think that he couldn't have played tough D against ANY PG out there late in the game.

Jose didn't have a problem against Rondo or Fisher.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:15 AM   #633 (permalink)
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And that's purely your opinion.

Do you get upset when you see Missionaries overseas helping the underprivileged and preaching the word of God?

At least wait until Lin proves that he's a "hypocrite" before you guys jump all over him. He's doing nothing wrong.
actually it's not "my opinion", it's in the bible and any good priest will tell you the same thing. You're not supposed to brag about your faith (and you're not supposed to feel ashamed for it either). It's supposed to be a private affair between you and God. It's DEFINITELY not supposed to be trivialized by associating with a game or any similar event.

but like I said, what bothers me the most about it is that most people who do it are doing it to gain a personal advantage of some sort, which is frankly quite in bad taste if not worse. Like I said, I doubt very much Lin is a hypocrite himself, but he's not in good company either.

Ultimately, things like politics, race and religion are very tricky subjects which are best left to other venues. Let's not mix sport and entertainment with the more serious matters. I don't like it when people try to make political/religious/race statements in this way, unless we're talking about something very serious which really needs all the exposure it can get (say apartheid in South Africa in the past).
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Shumpert's a pretty good defender for a rookie. He's among the league leaders in STLs. No reason to think that he couldn't have played tough D against ANY PG out there late in the game.

Jose didn't have a problem against Rondo or Fisher.

Rondo coming off an injury and Fisher is ancient
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:16 AM   #635 (permalink)
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If we trade Calderon we'll downgrade ourselves to WAS level. Which wont be such a bad thing.
I agree there. If we're trying to deliberately tank then it's a no-brainer move. Trade Jose and shut Bargs down for the season.

#1 pick here we come!

Although it might be hard to catch CHA lol....
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:16 AM   #636 (permalink)
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See? That was easy.
I never said it would be hard.


Edit - "that's what the tranny said!"
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Not per se but trade him for pick/s or prospect. Start over. Move on with a different guy at the 1.
See thriller's post above yours - only we won't even have Wall. Is that what you'd like? As in - you'd rather trade Calderon, knowing full well that the replacement is not there, than to "suffer" through his inability to penetrate off the dribble in ISO situations?
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actually it's not "my opinion", it's in the bible and any good priest will tell you the same thing. You're not supposed to brag about your faith (and you're not supposed to feel ashamed for it either). It's supposed to be a private affair between you and God. It's DEFINITELY not supposed to be trivialized by associating with a game or any similar event.
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who want trade something in Jose? If even Craptors dont want? ))
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:18 AM   #640 (permalink)
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I never said it would be hard.


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