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Old 02-14-2012, 11:23 PM   #581 (permalink)
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Jose can't be our starting pg long term
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #582 (permalink)
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Well, on a high note. Leafs losing. :cookie:
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #583 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #584 (permalink)
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He won't be
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:25 PM   #585 (permalink)
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he did all the shot blocking, passing, rebounding and scoring all by himself? amazing. i guess that explains why lin had so much energy at the end of the game. oh wait - he did more and played more minutes!

if your starter can't play 39 minutes he shouldn't be your starter. or your closer.
Yeah lol... and if Lin would've missed that last shot you probably would've gone on about how badly he played because of all the turnovers.

But all is forgiven as long as you hit that gamewinning shot! :cookie:
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Riiiight. So, let's trade him right now and stunt the development of our young talent by starting no-pass Bayless? Or do you have a magic plan that would land us a better, younger pass-first point guard?
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BTW, why isn't anyone blaming DeRozan? he played like crap, committed 6 TO, shot 5 of 12, all this while being probably the most athletic guy on the floor for either team - what gives?
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Riiiight. So, let's trade him right now and stunt the development of our young talent by starting no-pass Bayless? Or do you have a magic plan that would land us a better, younger pass-first point guard?
Jesus Mike! Details! Details! Just trade his ass and worry about what we're gonna get later!

I'm sure that we can give him to CHA for their unrestricted 1st pick or to OKC for Westbrook! Teams want to help us out! Stern's in our pocket!
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:29 PM   #589 (permalink)
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Riiiight. So, let's trade him right now and stunt the development of our young talent by starting no-pass Bayless? Or do you have a magic plan that would land us a better, younger pass-first point guard?
Enlighten me how he helps in the development of our young talent. Derozan still hasn't turned into Kobe, and our consistent players right now are vets (Linas and barbosa).
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I'm sold on Lin; I don't think anyone is going to call him a fluke again.

Anyways, props to Lin for getting the shot, but this is another time that the Raptors lost the game on a missed defensive board. I haven't read if anyone brought it up, but the only reason why Lin got that shot was off a missed rebound after good D. Had we got the rebound, we could have held the ball for final shot. I think Coach Casey needs to put in Gray in the closing defensive possessions instead of going small; we lost maybe 3 games so far on missed rebounds (today, at least 2 missed rebounds off a missed free throw).
Absolutely right. I said the main reason we lost was that we're missing a good man (to get boards). There was a possession where Knicks got I think 3 offensive boards back to back. And it was late in the game. But the last one you talk about was the killer.
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Riiiight. So, let's trade him right now and stunt the development of our young talent by starting no-pass Bayless? Or do you have a magic plan that would land us a better, younger pass-first point guard?
What growth? Derozan looks worse than his rookie season, Davis has been inconsistent, JJ is great on D which has nothing to do with Jose and usually looks lost on offense, Amir hasn't been as good as last season imo. Our young talent?

I don't really see any of our young guys growing all that much right now. If not for Kleiza, Barbosa most nights we would be blown away.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:31 PM   #592 (permalink)
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Enlighten me how he helps in the development of our young talent. Derozan still hasn't turned into Kobe, and our consistent players right now are vets (Linas and barbosa).
Calderon is an excellent pick-and-roll PG (yes, 'trane, this is your cue). He is doing it well with Amir, he will do even better with Jonas next year. His pick-and-pop game with Bargnani also works very well.

No PG in the world is going to turn DD into Kobe. Wrong head on a wrong body.

P.S. Perhaps, if Jesus played point for the Raps... Or, failing that, Jeremy Lin... Nah, not even then.
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BTW, why isn't anyone blaming DeRozan? he played like crap, committed 6 TO, shot 5 of 12, all this while being probably the most athletic guy on the floor for either team - what gives?
Kleiza was horrible too! He was only 1/6 from 3!

And that Amir! Only notching 5 blks and not even getting a double-double! What a scrub!

Let's just blow up the team and move it to Vegas.
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BTW, why isn't anyone blaming DeRozan? he played like crap, committed 6 TO, shot 5 of 12, all this while being probably the most athletic guy on the floor for either team - what gives?
i blame him, the guy settles for contested jumpers when he doesn't have a real jumpshot, when he drives it is out of control and he doesn't finish strong at the rim with body contact

i was at the game, i saw it all
most confused crowd ever, especially on the lin winner, everyone's yelled D-Fence and they they cheer that he scores, but then everyone realizes we're losing and the cheering stops, so confused!
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Dang, didn't see the game but goodness i hope this lin hype isn't going to turn into another "AzN PrYdE SWAGG" shit again. Happy for the guy but this is too much for an opposing crowd..

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i blame him, the guy settles for contested jumpers when he doesn't have a real jumpshot, when he drives it is out of control and he doesn't finish strong at the rim with body contact

i was at the game, i saw it all
most confused crowd ever, especially on the lin winner, everyone's yelled D-Fence and they they cheer that he scores, but then everyone realizes we're losing and the cheering stops, so confused!
A clear case of identity crisis. Are we Canadians? Torontonians? Asians?
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What growth? Derozan looks worse than his rookie season, Davis has been inconsistent, JJ is great on D which has nothing to do with Jose and usually looks lost on offense, Amir hasn't been as good as last season imo. Our young talent?

I don't really see any of our young guys growing all that much right now. If not for Kleiza, Barbosa most nights we would be blown away.
So you think that Kleiza's and Barbosa's contributions have been more vital to this team than Jose's?

Next year we're going to have 2 bigs in Bargs and JV who are going to need a PG who knows how to deliver the ball to them. Chances are we're going to have a good rookie coming in as well (with our pick) who's going to need that as well.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:36 PM   #598 (permalink)
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BTW, why isn't anyone blaming DeRozan? he played like crap, committed 6 TO, shot 5 of 12, all this while being probably the most athletic guy on the floor for either team - what gives?
I can only speak for myself.

Rookie contract, for starters. Derozan is cheap, doesn't eat cap space, so it's not a pressing matter. But, If you're talking about trades, I'm totally open to trading the guy. I've made several comment about my desire to flip him to Memphis for Mayo (probably never happen) since the Grizz likely won't want to pay Mayo this summer. If BC can get some value, sure.

Also, Derozan, unlike Jose, is not in his 30s. As much as some might want to view Demar as a finished product, some of us don't view him that way. And then there's expectations. My expectations for Derozan are not that high. I would hope he can become a decent 3rd option type player, who is capable of chipping in 20+ occasionally, when against a favourable matchup, like a team with poor transition D.
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I can only speak for myself.

Rookie contract, for starters. If you're talking about trades, I'm totally open to trading the guy. I've made several comment about my desire to flip him to Memphis for Mayo (probably never happen) since the Grizz likely won't want to pay Mayo this summer.

Also, Derozan, unlike Jose, is not in his 30s. As much as some might want to view Demar as a finished product, some of us don't view him that way. And then there's expectations. My expectations for Derozan are not that high. I would hope he can become a decent 3rd option type player, who is capable of chipping in 20+ occasionally, when against a favourable matchup, like a team with poor transition D.
So, all this reasoning makes you blame this loss on Jose?

He is to blame for this loss because he has a large contract, is 30 and a finished product?
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