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Old 12-07-2009, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've now read comments by about 4 or 5 different publications that the Raptors have been one of the biggest disappointments of the first quarter of the season.

The latest coming from NBA.com:

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Bearish on the Bulls: And on the Pistons, the Wizards, the Raptors and the Sixers, the league's most disappointing teams relative to preseason expectations.

My question is, how are the Raptors a disappointment when I don't seem to recall any so called "expert" out there predciting great things for this squad?
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My question exactly.

If people were picking us for the 8th seed AT BEST then how are we disappointing anyone?
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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most 'experts' didnt even predict that we'd be a playoff team, so how does a non-playoff team become a disappointment?
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It is pretty bizarre. People counted them out before the season started, and now that they've gone through the toughest part of their schedule, they should somehow be better than 8?

They have been one of the biggest disappointments so far in my books. The bad defense and blowouts will do that for you. But they won some nice games too. I still think it's too early to pronounce anything yet. I like our situation better than Milwaukee's. Suddenly they face some real opponents and things aren't so shiny and bright. Atlanta always starts off hot and then levels off, and that sucks in it's own way for them. And Miami could still hit the skids, with every one of their games seeming to be decided on the last shot - what if they have a bit of bad luck? Hitting rock bottom early on is the only way to go.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Four games under .500, posting one of the worst defenses in the NBA, losses to Charlotte, Washington, Memphis, and a undermanned San Antonio Team, teammates calling out players in the team, franchise player saying that it is a bad team. It has been a bad start, lets hope this meeting has started something good.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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a lot of people had them slotted 4-6, thats why.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Broadly speaking, I agree with what Acie is saying. But in this case, NBA.com isn't necessarily flip flopping. Multiple people write for sports websites, like NBA.com, which means that you get a number of different views expressed on the same site. Also, some wrtiters adjust their predictions over the summer and the preseason, so, depending on whether you read ALL of their articles, they may appear like they are flip flopping more than they really are. Other writers don't adjust their predictions, and that only further confuses things. Some writers feel the Raps are a dissapointment, while other writers believe the Raps are where they should be. You get multiple views from the same site.

This article was written by Steve Aschburner, who is commenting based on "preseason expectations." In August, John Schuhmann, a writer for NBA.com, predicted the Raps would finish 6th in the East, and would have a better record than solid teams in the West, such as Phoenix and Houston. On opening day, he revised his prediction to 8th in the East. And in another article he even suggested that Raptor ticket holders will need to be patient during November. Schuhmann adjusted his views and lowered his expectations, but Aschburner may not have. If Schuhman said the Raps were a dissapointment, that would be an annoying flip flop. Since the comments are coming from Aschburner, I'm not as surprised or annoyed.

That's my take on why these guys sometimes seem like annoying douchebags.
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I tried to find his preseason predictions before I quoted him, but I couldn't find them. He's safe...for now!
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Most so called experts had them finishing anywhere between 7-10th. It's kinda funny that they're 8th and their a such a disapoinment. A few said they'd be 6th and they are 1.5 games out of 6th. It's just funny that this team has 9 new players, the 2nd shittiest schedule in the league and are in a playoff spot when the schedule starts to turn for them and yet the American media just can't help themselves, just transparantly to add to the Bosh rumours of him bolting.
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think they predicted that we would be a dissapointment before the season started so basically there trying to look smart now, although these fuckers dont pay attention to the new players, toughest schedule and that were in fuckin canada the only place in the nba where even on our home court there is no advantage what so ever
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I think they predicted that we would be a dissapointment before the season started so basically there trying to look smart now, although these fuckers dont pay attention to the new players, toughest schedule and that were in fuckin canada the only place in the nba where even on our home court there is no advantage what so ever
Please, we have a better home court then most in the league.
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ye I meant the lack of respect on the road, gotta get some food in me not thinking straight
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Old 12-07-2009, 05:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I've now read comments by about 4 or 5 different publications that the Raptors have been one of the biggest disappointments of the first quarter of the season.

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My question is, how are the Raptors a disappointment when I don't seem to recall any so called "expert" out there predciting great things for this squad?
There were lots of people predicting the Raptors would win 45-50 games, and finish in the top 5 seeds, especially on message boards such as this one, and amongst the Canadian media.
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Whether or not you predicted that this team would do well, can anyone actually tell me they haven't been disappointed with how this team has played thus far?

Aside from the last two games it's been hard watching this team play, very hard.
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Old 12-07-2009, 05:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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There were lots of people predicting the Raptors would win 45-50 games, and finish in the top 5 seeds, especially on message boards such as this one, and amongst the Canadian media.
I'm not talking about message boards.

As far as Canadian media is concerned, off the top of my head Grange and Smith both predicted us to be exactly where we are right now.

Obviously, I should've provided examples, but I was speaking in general terms. Maybe I'll try and find some in a bit when I get a chance.
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Old 12-07-2009, 05:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm not talking about message boards.

As far as Canadian media is concerned, off the top of my head Grange and Smith both predicted us to be exactly where we are right now.

Obviously, I should've provided examples, but I was speaking in general terms. Maybe I'll try and find some in a bit when I get a chance.
Grange predited we would get 37 wins. Smith said we'd be around .500 but also said we'd get off to a slow start, so according to them we're not a disapointment.
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I'm not talking about message boards.

As far as Canadian media is concerned, off the top of my head Grange and Smith both predicted us to be exactly where we are right now.

Obviously, I should've provided examples, but I was speaking in general terms. Maybe I'll try and find some in a bit when I get a chance.
In general terms, there is some truth in your initial post. That's why I said I agree with you "broadly speaking." In this particular case, you just happened to pick an example that isn't clear cut. Lots of the ESPN analysts had the Raps 8-10. So if those guys are talking shit right now, then they are examples of flip floppers. On the other hand, Wilbon would be an example of someone who could legitimately say he is dissapointed, since he had the Raps in the top 5 in the piece he published in the Washington Post.
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Grange predited we would get 37 wins. Smith said we'd be around .500 but also said we'd get off to a slow start, so according to them we're not a disapointment.
that's where your wrong them predicting this would be our record is just being realistic but any team that is 4 games under .500 is a dissapointment and you can't tell me they think otherwise
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I would assume that on paper we were supposed to playing how we have for the past 2 games. Now, those predictions also factored in Reggie Evans - not to say he'd have that much of an impact on the team - but in pre-season he sure had everyone working pretty hard. However, I thought we should have come out of November at roughly .500 which would have put us at 6th place right now so I guess it's a disappointment? That's a pretty harsh word to use. I would have used underachieving.

As well, I doubt anyone figured Jennings was going to be on a tear like he has been and Charlotte has been making strides with the addition of Jackson.
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