FREE COLANGELO!!!!

takman_777 · 12-19-2008, 07:36 PM

ok, so the phrase short term pain for long term gain is a motto for all gm's? man, no wonder fans get upset as the Raptors fans are right now. to me, that is the bottom line, the product on the floor. as i have said on other threads, 47 wins as a franchise record is not really something to brag about. I really think the management of this team is doomed to run it into the "rebuilding" mode the loafs are in every year. The Celtics took a huge chance and seem to have come out with the KG deal and a couple of free agent deals... this year, they look better and lost posey who was the man in the playoffs for them. i am beginning to understand the business of the NBA but unless the product improves, mlse won't have the bums in the seats they need to put the bums on the bench to get the floor wiped with their asses night after night.. maybe i am still missing something but you have to put more value in a guy than just his salary, no?

Snooch · 12-19-2008, 07:38 PM

NBA teams are every evolving, always playing for the present and the future. The payroll and future cap space is as much a part of the team as the players and the coaches

takman_777 · 12-19-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Snooch

Yeah, I did.

Chicago(JO and Hughes would give that team 36 million in expiring to land 2 big guns in 2010 to pair with Gordon and Rose---Deng doesnt really fit there anymore)

Dallas-No doubt that Cuban would deal for him in an effort for cap space in 2010

Washington-going nowhere and has a real mess of contracts--mabey pry Jamieson or Butler-Haywood

New York-Of course they want more space

Cleveland-again in need of cap space

that makes sense, so who would we get in the deal? any of them? this is where i get lost, will dealing the contract make the players we receive better than the ones we have and will the team improve or do we wait an HOPE we land Boooooooooosh in 2010? what else can we get from there?? there is no way in hell wade or lbj want to come here, but i am pretty sure boooooooosh won't stay.. then what? we build around roko and jose and nathan and jake?
wow, some core!

Snooch · 12-19-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by takman_777

that makes sense, so who would we get in the deal? any of them? this is where i get lost, will dealing the contract make the players we receive better than the ones we have and will the team improve or do we wait an HOPE we land Boooooooooosh in 2010? what else can we get from there?? there is no way in hell wade or lbj want to come here, but i am pretty sure boooooooosh won't stay.. then what? we build around roko and jose and nathan and jake?
wow, some core!

Example would be in Chicago for Deng, Noah and Hinrich.

Deng needs a pg with an outside shot as he doesnt have it,and not to mention his numbers are back down to normal, Hinrich gives us an otion at 2 and a solid backup pg, and Noah a defensive C

Washington would be Butler/Haywood or nothing for us.

Dallas-Howard and Dampier

NY-Gross

arsonal · 12-19-2008, 11:48 PM

ITS OVER FIRE HIM NOW.

jj33 · 12-19-2008, 11:52 PM

I hope that tomorrow we will have some good news. Can't stay with same players.

**Acie** · 12-19-2008, 11:52 PM

arsonal, can you please stop creating a new thread for every thought that pops into your head...especially if you've already started the exact same thread at an early time.

Thanks.

**Ball Don't Lie** · 12-19-2008, 11:52 PM

Nah. He screwed up so far this year but we have come a long way from those 4-5 years of depression.

He'll get us to where we should be soon. Hes an action GM, he isnt going to just sit on his hands. Something big is going to happen before the trade deadline, it has to.

jj33 · 12-19-2008, 11:53 PM

Quote:

He'll get us to where we should be soon. Hes an action GM, he isnt going to just sit on his hands. Something big is going to happen before the trade deadline, it has to.

I really hope so.

arsonal · 12-19-2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie

arsonal, can you please stop creating a new thread for every thought that pops into your head...especially if you've already started the exact same thread at an early time.

Thanks.

yeah... i understand .. just very i mean very mad. with COLANGELO

**Acie** · 12-19-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arsonal

yeah... i understand .. just very i mean very mad. with COLANGELO

I know you are brother.

**zachus** · 12-19-2008, 11:59 PM

Let's be realistic. No changes are going to come as a result of THIS loss specifically.

No way does Brian Colangelo jump to the phone after an embarrassing loss like this and start throwing players away under duress. That would be a situation that would have other general managers salivating: "We'll take this guy for a sack of potatoes, oh and him for a baby goat, etc." It'd be like Babcock trading for Vince all over again.

I have no idea what the nail in the coffin is going to be, and to be honest I'm not even sure if there will be a defining point that will act as the impetus for an overhaul. I just know that I wouldn't be surprised if no changes are made, period.

Rapt0rs · 12-20-2008, 02:42 AM

First he drafted Bragnani over Aldridge
Then traded for JO????????? C'mon

Windex · 12-20-2008, 03:13 AM

I never want to lose faith in BC but after yeaserdays loss I lost a big chunk

babyface · 12-20-2008, 03:54 AM

Why are you guys bitching about the trade for JO? Are you suggesting that you KNEW this was coming? It's so easy to look in retrospect everything that went wrong but it's predicting the future that is most challenging. I understand everyone is frustrated but you can't be impulsive and fire everyone and trade everyone because guess what you can end up with something WORSE.

takman_777 · 12-20-2008, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapt0rs

First he drafted Bragnani over Aldridge
Then traded for JO????????? C'mon

this is exactly the point i have been making for the past 2 days on here... do you really think he can be trusted to "do the right thing" at this point? he has not made 1 excellent move for this team to help the on floor product and if he has his eye set on 2010, then we will be a 20 - 25 game winning team for the next 2 seasons? IF THAT!! wow, that is not a good way to run any business and do you really think any one wants to come here let alone stay here with management that makes shit smell pleasent?

let's start sending Chris our "thanks for the memories" email now, there is NO way in hell he is staying here. i suspect he has already asked for a trade. this team is going down hill with no brakes. that is directly a result of BC as he put this "excellent" team together.

takman_777 · 12-20-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyface

Why are you guys bitching about the trade for JO? Are you suggesting that you KNEW this was coming? It's so easy to look in retrospect everything that went wrong but it's predicting the future that is most challenging. I understand everyone is frustrated but you can't be impulsive and fire everyone and trade everyone because guess what you can end up with something WORSE.

care to explain HOW it could be worse?? i would love to read that zen statement.

**Acie** · 12-20-2008, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takman_777

this is exactly the point i have been making for the past 2 days on here... do you really think he can be trusted to "do the right thing" at this point? he has not made 1 excellent move for this team to help the on floor product and if he has his eye set on 2010, then we will be a 20 - 25 game winning team for the next 2 seasons? IF THAT!! wow, that is not a good way to run any business and do you really think any one wants to come here let alone stay here with management that makes shit smell pleasent?

let's start sending Chris our "thanks for the memories" email now, there is NO way in hell he is staying here. i suspect he has already asked for a trade. this team is going down hill with no brakes. that is directly a result of BC as he put this "excellent" team together.

So bringing in guys like Garbo, Parker, Delfino, Rasho and Moon weren't good moves?

Being able to re-sign Bosh and Calderon weren't good moves?

Ridding ourselves of TJ "one bad fall from being paralyzed" Ford and his lengthy deal for a hell of a player and highly valuable trading asset in JO wasn't a good move?

Seriously, what do you know that Bryan doesn't? I hardly think writing 500 word summaries of the most recent game make you a managerial expert.

StresS · 12-20-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie

So bringing in guys like Garbo, Parker, Delfino, Rasho and Moon weren't good moves?

Being able to re-sign Bosh and Calderon weren't good moves?

Ridding ourselves of TJ "one bad fall from being paralyzed" Ford and his lengthy deal for a hell of a player and highly valuable trading asset in JO wasn't a good move?

Seriously, what do you know that Bryan doesn't? I hardly think writing 500 word summaries of the most recent game make you a managerial expert.

Do you think this team is an eastern conference contender coming into the season?
If you said yes then you and bryan both know something bryan doesnt.

Superjudge · 12-20-2008, 10:16 AM

Whats wrong with Oneal?

He got rid of an issue by solving another.

In case you havn't noticed, Oneal does soe really good things on the court.

This entire team is better than they are playing, they just all suck right now.

Something will give, something will break, and then the ship will steady a little better.

It's sure ugly right now.

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12-19-2008, 07:36 PM	#281 (permalink)
takman_777 is is tired of all the Jose hating on this forum! sigh... Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NorthWestern Ontario Posts: 1,804 Representing:	ok, so the phrase short term pain for long term gain is a motto for all gm's? man, no wonder fans get upset as the Raptors fans are right now. to me, that is the bottom line, the product on the floor. as i have said on other threads, 47 wins as a franchise record is not really something to brag about. I really think the management of this team is doomed to run it into the "rebuilding" mode the loafs are in every year. The Celtics took a huge chance and seem to have come out with the KG deal and a couple of free agent deals... this year, they look better and lost posey who was the man in the playoffs for them. i am beginning to understand the business of the NBA but unless the product improves, mlse won't have the bums in the seats they need to put the bums on the bench to get the floor wiped with their asses night after night.. maybe i am still missing something but you have to put more value in a guy than just his salary, no?

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jj33 is editing this message! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,361 Representing:	I hope that tomorrow we will have some good news. Can't stay with same players.

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Ball Don't Lie is praying Drummond doesnt haunt us forever. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,833 Representing:	Nah. He screwed up so far this year but we have come a long way from those 4-5 years of depression. He'll get us to where we should be soon. Hes an action GM, he isnt going to just sit on his hands. Something big is going to happen before the trade deadline, it has to.

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zachus is a Raptors fan Free DeMar DeRozan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,833 Representing:	Let's be realistic. No changes are going to come as a result of THIS loss specifically. No way does Brian Colangelo jump to the phone after an embarrassing loss like this and start throwing players away under duress. That would be a situation that would have other general managers salivating: "We'll take this guy for a sack of potatoes, oh and him for a baby goat, etc." It'd be like Babcock trading for Vince all over again. I have no idea what the nail in the coffin is going to be, and to be honest I'm not even sure if there will be a defining point that will act as the impetus for an overhaul. I just know that I wouldn't be surprised if no changes are made, period.

12-20-2008, 02:42 AM	#293 (permalink)
Rapt0rs is pounding the rock! Hire Avery Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mississauga Posts: 87 Representing:	First he drafted Bragnani over Aldridge Then traded for JO????????? C'mon

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babyface is mooing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,102 Representing:	Why are you guys bitching about the trade for JO? Are you suggesting that you KNEW this was coming? It's so easy to look in retrospect everything that went wrong but it's predicting the future that is most challenging. I understand everyone is frustrated but you can't be impulsive and fire everyone and trade everyone because guess what you can end up with something WORSE.

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,388 Representing:	Whats wrong with Oneal? He got rid of an issue by solving another. In case you havn't noticed, Oneal does soe really good things on the court. This entire team is better than they are playing, they just all suck right now. Something will give, something will break, and then the ship will steady a little better. It's sure ugly right now.