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LX 04-04-2011 05:10 PM

fossil fool: high tide
 
here's the last bit from the latest blog entry - you can read the whole bit here - fossil fool

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There are a group of guys on this team that are young, still improving, and happy to be playing together. That’s a group that can overachieve over the next season or two, and that would allow room to add some pieces that make for a really strong, well-balanced team. For much of this season we’ve seen hard work that doesn’t often pay off. On the offensive end, guys like Jose, Andrea, and Linas have provided some sense that scoring can come easy. I would argue that it has come at the cost of the team relying too much on a bunch of jumpers that can turn a sense of ease into all kinds of difficulties in a hurry. And then the hard work on the defensive end has to overcompensate for the pieces that don’t fit, while offering up transition baskets going the other way off of missed jumpers. It’s been sad to see strong individual efforts lead only to easy baskets for opposing teams. These guys need to know that they are all pulling on the same rope. For the most part we’ve seen two or three guys digging in with all fours just to keep the rope from going slack, while two or three other guys hold on with one hand, if that, while distracting the other side by building sand castles. A lot of that has to do with the personnel. But with the addition of James Johnson, and Ed Davis getting better by the minute, some real results can be had from a more defensive mindset. At least this past weekend has hinted at that possibility. Now can they add the right draft pick and another piece or two to solidify that?

I felt like I was watching basketball last weekend. I missed that feeling. I want more now. We’ve seen hard work that doesn’t prevent easy baskets for the bad guys for longer than I care to remember. Jay Triano is in danger of being defined by the failure that comes from that imbalance. And now we’ve seen a glimpse of how hard work can allow for some easy baskets, in close and reliably, for the good guys. In that scenario Jay Triano can be defined by the improvements of developing players like DeMar, Amir, JJ, and Bayless. The coach can get credit for a team that plays together in order to overachieve. In any case it is something to build on. The sand castles can, and will, just wash away with the tide. There are some pieces with real value that can bring something back in return, in the form of Andre, Jose, and maybe Bayless or Barbosa if a pg is drafted. Those aren’t bad assets to dangle out there. And even if they garner mostly draft picks coming back, it opens up the chance to find the pieces that can work together over time, and gives the group we watched this weekend a chance to get better from season to season. I would so much prefer that as an alternative to always wondering what kind of neurotic identity might eventually take hold.

Superjudge 04-04-2011 06:28 PM

You know, a lot has to do with the time of year too.

A lot of good teams just aren't as hungry as the bottom feeders who have younger dudes trying like hell to earn a spot next year, and sub stars trying to play their way out of town to a better team.

Toronto is in trouble. I don't see the optimistic side. Mostly because trade and draft picks can be so erratic. there isn't one guy on this squad who is developing into a sure fire All star. How can you win consistently that way?

DD and Ed, JJ, these young guys are good, but really..... how good in comparison to the stars of the league?

LX 04-04-2011 08:33 PM

You need stars, but a team deep in two way players that play hard together can get a team a long way towards big goals while stars are still developing. I'll agree that they need to make a bona fide hit in the draft, and they'll need to make further additions beyond that. But I've seen plenty of teams that went far without a superstar. The Pistons won like crazy in this decade. Indiana had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys not unlike what is here. Cleveland in the 90's had an elite team that only Jordan could beat, and they were simply well-balanced without much elite talent. This team is looking like it is taking a step in the right direction. Now let's hope they straighten out ownership and get a little lucky.

EggsToTheBBQ 04-05-2011 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 526706)
You need stars, but a team deep in two way players that play hard together can get a team a long way towards big goals while stars are still developing. I'll agree that they need to make a bona fide hit in the draft, and they'll need to make further additions beyond that. But I've seen plenty of teams that went far without a superstar. The Pistons won like crazy in this decade. Indiana had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys not unlike what is here. Cleveland in the 90's had an elite team that only Jordan could beat, and they were simply well-balanced without much elite talent. This team is looking like it is taking a step in the right direction. Now let's hope they straighten out ownership and get a little lucky.

I could see the Raptors turning into a team like the Atlanta Hawks. Lots of good talent, and a few guys that are occasional all stars.

A team like that is a big free agent signing away from being a title contender. Atlanta + CP3 is a damn good team.

Hopefully there will be a little more stability over the next few years. I think that teams like Atlanta really need stability to maximize their talent.

Toebee 04-05-2011 12:37 AM

Atlanta would be a good model, unfortunately that they are a 2nd round playoff team at best. At this point and time I would rather a franchise that consistently makes the playoffs. Winning does not get you the top draft picks but it allows you to lure good player via free agency. Winning allows you to build a franchise well. (i.e. Utah, Orlando, etc.) I do also agree that a top star would probably propel the Craptors into the upper echelon of East teams, but it will take a few seasons of development and a lucky draft pick.

LX 04-05-2011 07:01 AM

I wonder what Atlanta might have become, or still might become, with a trade of a guy like Josh Smith, who so often ends up having an overall negative impact on games. I think teams can get a little hung up on talent and fail to see the big picture.

x_kaptain_x 04-05-2011 02:31 PM

Good read LX! not so bogged down with analogies.. From a Raptor's fan perspective, very insightful and thoroughly enjoyed. :guitar:

moremilk 04-05-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 526706)
You need stars, but a team deep in two way players that play hard together can get a team a long way towards big goals while stars are still developing. I'll agree that they need to make a bona fide hit in the draft, and they'll need to make further additions beyond that. But I've seen plenty of teams that went far without a superstar. The Pistons won like crazy in this decade. Indiana had Reggie Miller and a bunch of guys not unlike what is here. Cleveland in the 90's had an elite team that only Jordan could beat, and they were simply well-balanced without much elite talent. This team is looking like it is taking a step in the right direction. Now let's hope they straighten out ownership and get a little lucky.

Davis has the potential to be a two way player, and maybe demar, but beyond that, not so much. Amir,jj and bargnani will never be two-way players.

IMO, the only reasons for optimism right now are a new cba that's small market friendly, and the next 2-3 drafts. I just hope bc and mlse have the patience to wait, assuming they can settle their differences ...

LX 04-05-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 526904)
Davis has the potential to be a two way player, and maybe demar, but beyond that, not so much. Amir,jj and bargnani will never be two-way players.

IMO, the only reasons for optimism right now are a new cba that's small market friendly, and the next 2-3 drafts. I just hope bc and mlse have the patience to wait, assuming they can settle their differences ...

I was placing an emphasis on contributors to team defense and team offense, in my mind, when I referred to two-way players. I think there are others that can qualify in that regard. I never hinted at Bargnani being such. And yeah - there needs to be a couple upgrades in the starting lineup regardless.


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