Former Raps GM Grunwald was offered Nash and Dirk
Old 03-09-2012, 10:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Former Raps GM Glen Grunwald turned down a trade of Dirk Nowitzski and Steve Nash for Antonio Davis and Vince Carter as per John Shannon.

Watch: Raptors could have had Nash, Dirk - sportsnet.ca

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Old 03-09-2012, 10:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's old news, but yeah.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Not sure if a lot of GMs would have done that.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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For those few who remember the old ESPN board - that was the trade I've advocated at the peak of Vinsanity, after T-Mac left, and has been heavily ridiculed for.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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VC was the franchise player who put toronto on the map, there was no way he'd trade him.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well, in hindsight that seems like a bonehead move

At the time, not so much. No sane person would have seen 3 MVPs between those two. And frankly, chances are that they wouldn't have won them if paired together.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Lol, if i foresaw the future, would be a instant deal. But meh
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:09 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I just died a little inside.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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ya, that was when Vince was king of the world... hindsight is 20/20 fellas, so really, come on man.
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Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

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Old 03-10-2012, 01:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

Well...

My reasoning back then was based on two facts:

1. Vince was a single super-star at the time when we were either old or bad or both at multiple positions.

2. Nash was a Canadian star, happy to play at home. Dirk was a rising international star, with much higher chances of sticking long-term in Toronto.
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Old 03-11-2012, 01:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

nash is not a euro and he's 1 of the toughest players in the game, just look at the playoffs a few years back when he had that broken bloody nose, the guy plays bball like its hockey
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Oh boy...
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It's true.

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we also fail to remember the fact that VC himself started playing ball like a soft euro after he started getting the jumpers knee issues
does the interview say when the trade offer was given?
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we also fail to remember the fact that VC himself started playing ball like a soft euro after he started getting the jumpers knee issues
does the interview say when the trade offer was given?
Deal was offered after the 2000-01 season, that was the year the Raptors were 1 shot away from the conference finals. Hardly the time to completely blow up the team. Nash also is 3 years older than Vince and at the time had his first season with more than 10 ppg and more than 5.5 apg. Antonio Davis just had a playoff where he averaged 16 ppg and 11 rpg.

The deal looks bad now, but at the time if the Raptors made that deal I believe there is a strong possibility that the Raptors end up moving to another city.
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Would you trade blake griffin for Bargnani and lin?
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