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Raptors1995 03-09-2012 10:23 PM

Former Raps GM Grunwald was offered Nash and Dirk
 
Former Raps GM Glen Grunwald turned down a trade of Dirk Nowitzski and Steve Nash for Antonio Davis and Vince Carter as per John Shannon.

Watch: Raptors could have had Nash, Dirk - sportsnet.ca

LX 03-09-2012 10:27 PM

That's old news, but yeah.

Aamir 03-09-2012 10:50 PM

Not sure if a lot of GMs would have done that.

MikeToronto 03-09-2012 11:29 PM

For those few who remember the old ESPN board - that was the trade I've advocated at the peak of Vinsanity, after T-Mac left, and has been heavily ridiculed for.

Don Vito 03-09-2012 11:31 PM

VC was the franchise player who put toronto on the map, there was no way he'd trade him.

moremilk 03-09-2012 11:33 PM

well, in hindsight that seems like a bonehead move

At the time, not so much. No sane person would have seen 3 MVPs between those two. And frankly, chances are that they wouldn't have won them if paired together.

Dario 03-10-2012 12:55 AM

Lol, if i foresaw the future, would be a instant deal. But meh

TORaptor4Ever 03-10-2012 02:09 AM

I just died a little inside.

Superjudge 03-10-2012 01:08 PM

ya, that was when Vince was king of the world... hindsight is 20/20 fellas, so really, come on man.

Shifty.py 03-10-2012 01:20 PM

Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

:cookie:

MikeToronto 03-10-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 624446)
Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

:cookie:

Well...

My reasoning back then was based on two facts:

1. Vince was a single super-star at the time when we were either old or bad or both at multiple positions.

2. Nash was a Canadian star, happy to play at home. Dirk was a rising international star, with much higher chances of sticking long-term in Toronto.

Admiral 03-11-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty.py (Post 624446)
Would you trade Vince at his peak for two soft Euros

:cookie:

nash is not a euro and he's 1 of the toughest players in the game, just look at the playoffs a few years back when he had that broken bloody nose, the guy plays bball like its hockey

jeffb 03-11-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral (Post 624878)
the guy plays bball like its hockey

Oh boy...

Acie 03-11-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 624879)
Oh boy...

It's true.


Admiral 03-11-2012 11:30 PM

we also fail to remember the fact that VC himself started playing ball like a soft euro after he started getting the jumpers knee issues
does the interview say when the trade offer was given?

BartB 03-12-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral (Post 624996)
we also fail to remember the fact that VC himself started playing ball like a soft euro after he started getting the jumpers knee issues
does the interview say when the trade offer was given?

Deal was offered after the 2000-01 season, that was the year the Raptors were 1 shot away from the conference finals. Hardly the time to completely blow up the team. Nash also is 3 years older than Vince and at the time had his first season with more than 10 ppg and more than 5.5 apg. Antonio Davis just had a playoff where he averaged 16 ppg and 11 rpg.

The deal looks bad now, but at the time if the Raptors made that deal I believe there is a strong possibility that the Raptors end up moving to another city.

bluejazzy 03-12-2012 11:06 PM

Would you trade blake griffin for bargnani and lin?


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