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Old 02-17-2009, 09:16 PM   #61 (permalink)
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T-Bag, the best part about this trade is, you dont have to worry a go-to guy in the playoffs, ever
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:23 PM   #62 (permalink)
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It's not slang; it's the result of a dubious understanding of English grammar.

The trade would make the Raptors much deeper and more complete. None of the players arriving are as good as Bosh, but Bosh isn't dominant enough to carry a team with little depth anyway; some guys can (see: LeBron; Wade; Kobe; CP3 - all transformed otherwise mediocre teams into contenders). You don't trade those guys for players who might not achieve their level of play, but Bosh isn't one of them.

If this trade went down, the Raptors would have a top PG in Calderon, a PF/C who's shown he can put up 20+ and 7 on a regular basis (and will only improve), one of the top SFs in the league, an excellent young center in Biedrins, and a very deep bench, including the possible SG and SF of the future. That's a vast improvement over the status quo.

I ask you Why do you wanna trade for depth? is that going to make you win ball games. Biedrins for bosh.. thats a joke.. biedrins cant even make a layup hes only good on d nothing eles... if you want something good .. trade brags for a player and a draftpick brags is trash ...he will never be our go to guy.. and jose is OKAY at the point not good just okay. they man plays 2 games with a 17 and 8 .. goes down on the injury list agian. mind as well trade everyone for d- leaguers .if you depth.
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Who is brags?

My only concern with this trade is Turiaf's awful contract. I think Belinelli, Biedrins, and a 1st pick is a good enough deal....after that, it's just making the money work.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:53 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I ask you Why do you wanna trade for depth? is that going to make you win ball games. Biedrins for bosh.. thats a joke.. biedrins cant even make a layup hes only good on d nothing eles... if you want something good .. trade brags for a player and a draftpick brags is trash ...he will never be our go to guy.. and jose is OKAY at the point not good just okay. they man plays 2 games with a 17 and 8 .. goes down on the injury list agian. mind as well trade everyone for d- leaguers .if you depth.
Ok arse, I've done my best to follow your meandering train of thought. The trade is *not* Biedrins for Bosh. It is Biedrins (13, 12, and 2 blocks), Turiaf (5, 4, 2 and 2 blocks in limited minutes), Belinelli (10, 2, and 2 in limited minutes), Randolph (6 and 4 in very limited minutes) and a 1st round draft pick for Bosh.

Now, Bosh is a 20 and 10 player, but that's all he is. Or, at least, all he's proven he can be thus far. By which I mean, he's not somebody that can carry a team; he's shown that. He's not somebody who's particularly efficient against good defenders (Will anyone take Bosh over KG, in any circumstance?). He's not a clutch scorer who thrives on pressure (Bosh vs. Noah, anyone?).

On the other hand, Bargnani, who you so tastefully define as trash, through all his struggles and terrible runs of form, has hit more big shots than Bosh - I'd like to see him hit the tying 3 at the buzzer In the Celtics' Home Court - one of the loudest in the NBA.

Bargnani, who is no more than a pile of sewage in your insightful eyes, has proven himself to be a better defender than Bosh, as affirmed by most fans capable of intelligent reasoning (I don't expect as much from you, don't worry), and sportswriters as well.

Bargnani, who you reduce to utter garbage, has been averaging somewhere around 18 points and 7 rebounds over the last month and a half and has shown that he's capable of maintaining, and improving upon, that run of play. Even now that his shot's relatively off he's finding ways to contribute and is putting up good numbers.

As for your comment that "jose is OKAY at the point not good just okay. they man plays 2 games with a 17 and 8 .. goes down on the injury list agian." He played 82 games last year. Out of 82. Yeah, a real injury case. This year, that he's been troubled by a nagging injury, he's 4th in the league in assists. Sure, there's some aspects of his game that could be improved upon, but he's an excellent point guard nonetheless.

And for your final comment: "mind as well trade everyone for d- leaguers .if you depth." ...I really don't know what that means. I have no idea. Believe me, I tried. I stared at it for several seconds and failed to extract a single iota of meaning from it.

The point is, as of right now, this is no more than trade speculation which is entertaining to discuss and hypothesize about. My point is that while Bosh is one of the premier PFs in the league today, he's not good enough to be "untouchable". So, when a cartload of talent which would just happen to fill every single hole in the lineup and provide depth on top of that is offered for him, you should wrap a nice bow on Bosh's head, thank him for all the fun times, and complete the transaction before they have a change of heart.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:57 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Sorry Arsonal but roma just pwned the shit out of you. BTW that's why there are so many Bosh trade threads. Bargs can be better than him
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:05 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I just have to say: Roma1092 is on fire. Great stuff!
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:13 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Ok arse, I've done my best to follow your meandering train of thought. The trade is *not* Biedrins for Bosh. It is Biedrins (13, 12, and 2 blocks), Turiaf (5, 4, 2 and 2 blocks in limited minutes), Belinelli (10, 2, and 2 in limited minutes), Randolph (6 and 4 in very limited minutes) and a 1st round draft pick for Bosh.

Now, Bosh is a 20 and 10 player, but that's all he is. Or, at least, all he's proven he can be thus far. By which I mean, he's not somebody that can carry a team; he's shown that. He's not somebody who's particularly efficient against good defenders (Will anyone take Bosh over KG, in any circumstance?). He's not a clutch scorer who thrives on pressure (Bosh vs. Noah, anyone?).

On the other hand, Bargnani, who you so tastefully define as trash, through all his struggles and terrible runs of form, has hit more big shots than Bosh - I'd like to see him hit the tying 3 at the buzzer In the Celtics' Home Court - one of the loudest in the NBA.

Bargnani, who is no more than a pile of sewage in your insightful eyes, has proven himself to be a better defender than Bosh, as affirmed by most fans capable of intelligent reasoning (I don't expect as much from you, don't worry), and sportswriters as well.

Bargnani, who you reduce to utter garbage, has been averaging somewhere around 18 points and 7 rebounds over the last month and a half and has shown that he's capable of maintaining, and improving upon, that run of play. Even now that his shot's relatively off he's finding ways to contribute and is putting up good numbers.

As for your comment that "jose is OKAY at the point not good just okay. they man plays 2 games with a 17 and 8 .. goes down on the injury list agian." He played 82 games last year. Out of 82. Yeah, a real injury case. This year, that he's been troubled by a nagging injury, he's 4th in the league in assists. Sure, there's some aspects of his game that could be improved upon, but he's an excellent point guard nonetheless.

And for your final comment: "mind as well trade everyone for d- leaguers .if you depth." ...I really don't know what that means. I have no idea. Believe me, I tried. I stared at it for several seconds and failed to extract a single iota of meaning from it.

The point is, as of right now, this is no more than trade speculation which is entertaining to discuss and hypothesize about. My point is that while Bosh is one of the premier PFs in the league today, he's not good enough to be "untouchable". So, when a cartload of talent which would just happen to fill every single hole in the lineup and provide depth on top of that is offered for him, you should wrap a nice bow on Bosh's head, thank him for all the fun times, and complete the transaction before they have a change of heart.
Nice job, we need more of this posts in this site.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:16 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Good job, Roma.

But, the only problem with your post is that Ugo is going to try to top it...
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With all due respect to Roma's fine post, the "pwnage" was done by arsonal with his awful post.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:19 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Hey Ligeia, don't be that guy. Don't take the shine off of Roma's post. That's not cool.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:24 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:25 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Jose is the leader once this happens
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:31 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I can only laugh at the idiocy that is Chad Ford.

I can only be puzzled at the fact most of you guys are so damn ready to give up on Bosh for a bunch of role players.

On top of the whole story, the team would still not have a real starting five, no real bench, no real chance to compete, no real direction to rebuild. All in all, no real chance. So why do it? If you all think Bargs is that good, why not keep him with Bosh instead of bringing bunch of other guys whom might or might not pan out? Why not keep the one that has obviously panned out and try to fill the holes in the starting five and the bench? The same thing awaits you any way you cut it?
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Huhhh?

Biedrins would start at C and Bargs would be our starting SF which is his natural position.As for Belinelli, he'd be our top SG as soon as the deal was done.If we re-sign Marion/AP this is our lineup next season, and it would be a top 4-6 team easily.

Jose/Ukic/Banks
Belinelli/AP/Kapono or Delfino (if BC can trade JK)
Marion/Randolph/Graham
Bargnani/Turiaf/Hump
Beidrins/Bargnani/Turiaf/Voskhul
Uuuummmm, we already saw how well Andrea did playing SF last year in the playoffs. His natural position, not.

I have to go with Ugo on this one. Golden State has a worst record than Toronto with all those guys; so how does us trading our best player for them make us better?
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I think he mistyped that. As his rotation clearly indicates, he has Bargnani playing the 4 in front of Turiaf and Hump.

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Sorry Roma, but homerism aside, Bargs has far from proved he can score 20/7 regularly, nevermind as a number 1 option, he doesnt get half the atrtention Bosh does. Since you enjoy insulting ppl, i think your a simpleton who just equates the numbers ppl put up, but not the situation they are in. Dont quote these young guys playing on a Nellie coached team for christs sakes stats, like they can put up the same numbers everywhere, that is the most basic, simpleton way of looking at any trade, there are too many varibles to just say player a puts up this, player b, this etc etc, you arent grasping the full situation. A team with no real star that demands doubles is an easily beatable team, and thats what you all are trying to create, on the dim hopes one of them will become a star.... like Biedrens on one of the smallest teams in the league, eats up a ton of boards.... SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!

but then again, a whole month and a half of quality ball as the number 2 and sometimes 3 option, rarely if ever drawing doubles or making his presense known inside!! Im def ready to build around that, SOLID plan.

BTW the calvary with sense in their heads have arrived and i not only topped that weak ass arguement, i owned it. BC wouldnt consider this for a second, and you guys are drolling over it hahaha

Wait even better idea, lets take the core of a really shitty team, take away our only true star quality, add that shit with the shit we already got, it definately wont stink, i mean, shit doesnt stink after all (we all know my doesnt :P)

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I think he mistyped that. As his rotation clearly indicates, he has Bargnani playing the 4 in front of Turiaf and Hump.
I considered that possibility except that the letters are on opposite sides of the keyboard. I mean you don't even use the same hand to type those letters, but you could be right.
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I'm not sold on it. Who knows when the Warriors will get the #1 pick. Bosh could be retired by then
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some people are ridiculous over the prospects of potential bench players. it's like how you read about trading a bona fide nba player for draft picks that have zero chance of reaching their counterparts level. 'but they have potential!!!' wtf is the point of getting someone who has the potential to do half the job for you? that's not how you build winners.

if we replace bosh, we need someone who will be able to take the load he'll be leaving us with. if we can't, maybe we'll luck into another player of his calibre come the next 5 lotteries we'll be in.

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