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Old 02-17-2009, 12:51 PM   #41 (permalink)
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So with this deal, we will do a ton of winning like GS is?
GS has no PG and play ZERO team defense. They have a lot of players playing out of position and there's always fighting between the front office and Nelli.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:52 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Toronto has no swings and 0 defense, why would things change to dramatically here? They would suddenly become defensive dynamos?
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:25 PM   #43 (permalink)
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trade looks awesome imo. But thats too much players to trade just for one guy, lets throw some of our bench .. get it done summer 09!
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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We would be the whitest team of all time if this deal went through.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:51 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I think our frontcourt will improve alot with marion @ the 3... for now. He's the best rebounding SF in the league right? I don't think our frontcourt needs alot of changing...

The rotation will be humps backup C.. and when graham comes in, Marion will move to the 4 probably when Ukic comes in to run a bit more (from what I heard @ the press conf marion wants to run). It's anthony parker that we need to move... I dont want to start this again... but if only we cud get Carter @ the 2 .

Either way. I'm with Ugo... try to build around Bosh than become the next Bulls.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:08 PM   #46 (permalink)
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if Bargs can prove to be a go-to-guy, i'd consider it.

i think people are forgetting how hard it is to find a player of bosh's calibre. trading for a bunch of young players with potential will not replace him. besides, i don't like the idea of dealing with g-state. they're filled with fools gold.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:12 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Yep, the Nellie ball inflated numbers, dont waste your energy on D style. I didnt think it was possible, but this trade may make us worse defensively lol we gain some boards in Biedrens and lose almost as many with Bosh leaving with Abs poor rebounding.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:22 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Building around Bosh and attracting FAs to play with him only works when your company is willing to go over the cap. MLSE isn't going to do that. That's why this trade (in my opinion), isn't that bad.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:20 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Why do you guy want to trade Bosh so badly??? You want young players that have no Exp..how do you know Bosh will leave ???who becomes our building block??brags ?? That guy will never be an allstar decent player not aalstar also Bosh is only 24 how young do you want your players 18? You wanna trade the only guy that repessnts to in the alstar
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Why do you guy want to trade Bosh so badly??? You want young players that have no Exp..how do you know Bosh will leave ???who becomes our building block??brags ?? That guy will never be an allstar decent player not aalstar also Bosh is only 24 how young do you want your players 18? You wanna trade the only guy that repessnts to in the alstar
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:27 PM   #51 (permalink)
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He is saying why trade your only true allstar in the hopes of getting a young allstar when Bosh is only 24 and never been surrounded by talent. He also said Bargs wont amount to more then a decent starter, perhaps a 3rd option he means. Altho it was confusing to read it, i understood and i actually agree with pretty much everything he said, keep posting bud, im available to interpet your slang :P
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:35 PM   #52 (permalink)
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OMB(osh) What a shitty deal..The guy is an all-star, top player at his position in the league. Plays hard night in night out, basically he's the glue that holds this team together. Not his fault he's surrounded with mediocre players. Bargnani and claderon are ok at best, AP's rainbow shooting time is gone. Besides now maybe Marion, this team has no good solid player that it can depend on each nite. It's all hot and cold, mentally weak babies.

Forget any deal where you don't get another player of Bosh's caliber. Actually i'd trade half of the team for 2 more solid players (reverse this deal where TO trades their potential talent for either Turkoglu, Lewis, Ming or Odom)

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He is saying why trade your only true allstar in the hopes of getting a young allstar when Bosh is only 24 and never been surrounded by talent. He also said Bargs wont amount to more then a decent starter, perhaps a 3rd option he means. Altho it was confusing to read it, i understood and i actually agree with pretty much everything he said, keep posting bud, im available to interpet your slang :P
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Refering to th trade, I like it a lot but there is no way in hell GS does it. They give up so much talent for ayear lease of Bosh
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:11 PM   #55 (permalink)
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OMB(osh) What a shitty deal..The guy is an all-star, top player at his position in the league. Plays hard night in night out, basically he's the glue that holds this team together. Not his fault he's surrounded with mediocre players. Bargnani and claderon are ok at best, AP's rainbow shooting time is gone. Besides now maybe Marion, this team has no good solid player that it can depend on each nite. It's all hot and cold, mentally weak babies.

Forget any deal where you don't get another player of Bosh's caliber. Actually i'd trade half of the team for 2 more solid players (reverse this deal where TO trades their potential talent for either Turkoglu, Lewis, Ming or Odom)
You lost all cred when you said Odom. I don't know why so many people are high on Odom. He's not that good.
Why should Toronto trade their talent for Lewis? Lewis basically screwed the Magic with that bloated contract of his, so why would we take it on?
Turkoglu is a FA at the end of the year and is going to demand huge dollars. I can possibly see Colangelo going after him.
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:32 PM   #56 (permalink)
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if its a pick for the upcoming draft ill take it
but we all know BC wont
so no one should bother with any CB rumors atleast until the offseason
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:10 PM   #57 (permalink)
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You lost all cred when you said Odom. I don't know why so many people are high on Odom. He's not that good.
Why should Toronto trade their talent for Lewis? Lewis basically screwed the Magic with that bloated contract of his, so why would we take it on?
Turkoglu is a FA at the end of the year and is going to demand huge dollars. I can possibly see Colangelo going after him.
I agree about Odom.

If the Magic are "screwed" and are playing for the best record in the NBA, what are we? lol He didnt screw then per say, they made an offer, he accepted, they did it to themselves. But yea, he is way overpaid.
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Old 02-17-2009, 08:38 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Why do you guy want to trade Bosh so badly??? You want young players that have no Exp..how do you know Bosh will leave ???who becomes our building block??brags ?? That guy will never be an allstar decent player not aalstar also Bosh is only 24 how young do you want your players 18? You wanna trade the only guy that repessnts to in the alstar
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He is saying why trade your only true allstar in the hopes of getting a young allstar when Bosh is only 24 and never been surrounded by talent. He also said Bargs wont amount to more then a decent starter, perhaps a 3rd option he means. Altho it was confusing to read it, i understood and i actually agree with pretty much everything he said, keep posting bud, im available to interpet your slang :P
It's not slang; it's the result of a dubious understanding of English grammar.

The trade would make the Raptors much deeper and more complete. None of the players arriving are as good as Bosh, but Bosh isn't dominant enough to carry a team with little depth anyway; some guys can (see: LeBron; Wade; Kobe; CP3 - all transformed otherwise mediocre teams into contenders). You don't trade those guys for players who might not achieve their level of play, but Bosh isn't one of them.

If this trade went down, the Raptors would have a top PG in Calderon, a PF/C who's shown he can put up 20+ and 7 on a regular basis (and will only improve), one of the top SFs in the league, an excellent young center in Biedrins, and a very deep bench, including the possible SG and SF of the future. That's a vast improvement over the status quo.

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It's not slang; it's the result of a dubious understanding of English grammar.

The trade would make the Raptors much deeper and more complete. None of the players arriving are as good as Bosh, but Bosh isn't dominant enough to carry a team with little depth anyway; some guys can (see: LeBron; Wade; Kobe; CP3 - all transformed otherwise mediocre teams into contenders). You don't trade those guys for players who might not achieve their level of play, but Bosh isn't one of them.

If this trade went down, the Raptors would have a top PG in Calderon, a PF/C who's shown he can put up 20+ and 7 on a regular basis (and will only improve), one of the top SFs in the league, an excellent young center in Biedrins, and a very deep bench, including the possible SG and SF of the future. That's a vast improvement over the status quo.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:02 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I like this trade idea, just one problem. With that new line up who is our go-to guy in the playoffs? Belinelli? Bargs? Marion isn't a no.1 option. I don't think Bosh (or any PF for that matter) is a #1 option on a contending team either, but this kind of trade can't be done without a plan to bring in some starpower at least later on.

Name one team aside from the Pistons who have one a championship without a bona fide offensive star? (and the pistons don't count because they were ridiculously balanced)
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