Fix the lottery!
Old 11-14-2013, 02:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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We can all agree that the current lottery/draft system sucks and promotes tanking.

The best solution I heard (with a couple of my tweaks) is to have the draft order reversed. 9th picks first until the 30th team picks last at the end of the non-playoff teams. Except add that the 9-15 teams are in a lottery to get first pick.

Now every team is trying every night to win! It makes no sense to throw games. And crappy teams are still getting the better players. And the best picks arnt getting lost on garbage teams.

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Old 11-14-2013, 03:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm all for this. But you'd have to have something like a five-year period to prepare for it.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't like the lottery either, it promotes tanking and treadmill teams, if the treadmill teams had a better chance at landing the 1st overall pick they would have a fair chance at getting off the treadmill and become a good or great team

teams like the pistons, raptors, who don't sink seasons but end up in the lottery anyways, and are constantly battling the treadmill never get a fair chance, they don't cheat the system but end up getting cheated by the system

how many times the raps get schooled by the golden state warriors when it comes to tanking, two players we could've had but refused not to tank are curry and Harrison barnes, even a better shot at kyrie Irving
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Reversing the order, etc is all crazy shit ...

Just reduce the odds further of winning the lottery for the non-playoff teams and remove the guarantee that you can't drop more than x spots .... If the lottery odds continue to lower, then teams will continue to play hard and not tank.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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You'd still see a lot of teams "accidentally" losing their 8th spot and getting no. 1 pick. Think about it, would you get killed by miami in the 1st round or lose 3-5 more games and get a high chance at wiggins?

Not to mention the point of the draft is to spread the talent out among the teams and if you make it so that the bottom feeders never win the lottery, there will be teams that are stuck at the bottom for 10+ years. Not every team that sucks is tanking. If your superstar leaves what are you supposed to do, just sign mediocre players to big contracts and get 9th like BC did? That's not good management and shouldn't be rewarded.

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Old 11-14-2013, 08:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Every team gets one ping pong ball, doesn't matter where you finish. Hold the lottery live and draw all 30 balls going 30 to 1. The end to the term tank!
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:32 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Every team gets one ping pong ball, doesn't matter where you finish. Hold the lottery live and draw all 30 balls going 30 to 1. The end to the term tank!
I'd use 14 - just the non-playoff teams. But the non-weighted lotto and full draw is the way to go.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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They will still figure out how to fix the lottery...

They will just make an app for that
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:58 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Reversing the order, etc is all crazy shit ...

Just reduce the odds further of winning the lottery for the non-playoff teams and remove the guarantee that you can't drop more than x spots .... If the lottery odds continue to lower, then teams will continue to play hard and not tank.
I like this idea. Simplest to implement, as well, and not something totally drastic like giving non-playoff teams with the best record after a certain date (last two months of the season, for example) the best chance at the top pick.

Henry Abbott talked about different ways to improve the lottery on Raptors Republic (here: http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/audio...21-rapcast.mp3), some interesting ideas in that discussion, too.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:52 PM   #10 (permalink)
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the main thing that makes tanking appealing is not what most people think, getting the #1 pick. The greatest advantage is being able to get hugely underplayed players. That's why the simplest way to fix the problem is to remove the rookie scale limitations. All 30 teams get a chance to bid on every player with something like 3M in cash outside the cap space + any cap space they may have. Since most elite teams would not have cap space, it still gives a big advantage to bad teams, but it no longer makes having the worst record any valuable.

And because most teams don't have cap space, they risk of vastly overpaying rookies is somewhat limited. Furthermore, it would make free agents cheaper since much of the cap space would be spent on rookies, leaving less chances for throwing crazy money at free agents. And finally, there would be tough choices for teams with cap space of whether to spend the cap on rookies or save it for free agency.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Allow teams to draft 17 and 18 year olds, but don't let them play until 20 or 21.

The draft would become more of a crapshoot, since there's so much development between those ages.

Drafting older players makes it much easier to pick a winner.

With the way the NCAA-NBA relationship works now it's an impossible solution, but I think it could work with some compromise.

The NCAA would have to allow players who have been drafted (but not yet paid) to play division 1, and in return the NBA would not allow 18 and 19 year olds to play, so they would have an additional year in college.

There's a big problem in the NBA with too many roster spots taken up by young players that really don't belong on an NBA court yet.

The NBA needs to do more player development outside of actual NBA games.
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Allow teams to draft 17 and 18 year olds, but don't let them play until 20 or 21.

The draft would become more of a crapshoot, since there's so much development between those ages.

Drafting older players makes it much easier to pick a winner.

With the way the NCAA-NBA relationship works now it's an impossible solution, but I think it could work with some compromise.

The NCAA would have to allow players who have been drafted (but not yet paid) to play division 1, and in return the NBA would not allow 18 and 19 year olds to play, so they would have an additional year in college.

There's a big problem in the NBA with too many roster spots taken up by young players that really don't belong on an NBA court yet.

The NBA needs to do more player development outside of actual NBA games.
The player development does need to be better. Why don't we have our own minor team, i would watch them too.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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definitely agree with the overall sentiment that the lottery system is shitty for the game.

I'm in favor of every team that doesn't make the playoffs to get 1 ping pong ball. What thought said.... although i said the same thing around the begining of the season so i will assume he's plagarizing my idea.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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if every team would get 1/14th of a chance, that would make lottery draft picks immensely more valuable. I guess they would have to make the rule effective 3+ years in the future to allow picks traded under the old system retain their original value.
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