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Old 03-30-2011, 01:02 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Resigned maybe the nice way of saying it. After winning a respectable 30 games in his first full season as head coach, and only winning 11 games in 49 games and clashes with Tracy McGrady, Walker did something that was going to happen. Back to the topic, you don't give another chance to a coach for a third season when the team is headed for its third worst season in franchise history.
I think he sucked, but he resigned because the GM that hired him jumped ship.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:35 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I don't like that Jay often makes excuses for getting blown out and embarrassed. I like Van Gundy because even when his team wins by 20 he talks about what they need to improve. We need a tough coach, not a nice-guy like triano.
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:21 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I don't think a veteran, defensive minded coach would change much. Take PJ Carlesimo for example, one of the architects of San Antonio's dynasty, and a proven defensive mind. He's likely designing game plans and schemes day in day out. We just don't have the personnel on the floor to honor those schemes.
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:25 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Never thought i would say this.. but
Thanks Jeff.
Why are you thanking him?

I said other than Philly, who has a veteran coach getting the most out of a team with a predominantly young and inexperienced roster.

So he named Philly (pretty sure I said other than Philly, who actually have quite a few veterans), Denver (who had a roster laden with veterans before and after the trade), Memphis (again a roster laden with veterans), Indiana (who has a rookie head coach after replacing their veteran head coach who wasn't cutting the mustard) and Oklahoma (who has a coach in only his 2 full NBA season).
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:28 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I don't think a veteran, defensive minded coach would change much. Take PJ Carlesimo for example, one of the architects of San Antonio's dynasty, and a proven defensive mind. He's likely designing game plans and schemes day in day out. We just don't have the personnel on the floor to honor those schemes.
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:42 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:12 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Thanks Jeff.
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:57 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Isnt there gonna be a lockout or shortended season next season? So it wouldnt matter if we kept him or not , he wood still be gettin payed to not do anything
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:00 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Isnt there gonna be a lockout or shortended season next season? So it wouldnt matter if we kept him or not , he wood still be gettin payed to not do anything
unless they don't pick up his option for next season
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Old 03-31-2011, 12:48 AM   #90 (permalink)
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still havent heard one reason why not to fire him?
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:13 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I have yet to read why he's a bad 'defensive' coach right now.

Right, statistically he's had the worst team on defense. But again, how can you play good defense when DeRozan, Caldeorn and Bargnani are TERRIBLE defenders right now?

I'm not saying Triano is the world's greatest coach. He isn't. However, blame him for things he can control, not things he can't.
Um benching players for bad defense would be a start? Why has it not happened? And why do we bench players just for bad offense?

It has to go both ways if you miss 4 shots in a row you get benched & if you let your man or your help man score 4 times you get benched...U may come back into the game but if you don't do one or the other u get benched for the rest of the game!
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Just fire Triano then there won't be any reason to keep Triano
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:54 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Um benching players for bad defense would be a start? Why has it not happened? And why do we bench players just for bad offense?

It has to go both ways if you miss 4 shots in a row you get benched & if you let your man or your help man score 4 times you get benched...U may come back into the game but if you don't do one or the other u get benched for the rest of the game!
Fine let's start this line up:

Bayless
Barbosa
Johnson
Evans
Amir

With a bench rotation of Weems, Davis, Wright and Dorsey.

There you have it. A nine man rotation and you're benching Jose, Bargnani and Demar.

I guarantee you, if Triano did this, he'd crucified by everyone. Hell, I don't even know how THAT team would score. But hey, you'd be benching guys and putting in your best defenders.
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Um benching players for bad defense would be a start? Why has it not happened? And why do we bench players just for bad offense?

It has to go both ways if you miss 4 shots in a row you get benched & if you let your man or your help man score 4 times you get benched...U may come back into the game but if you don't do one or the other u get benched for the rest of the game!
Also, I'd argue we have benched players when they hurt us both offensively and defensively.
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Old 03-31-2011, 10:51 AM   #95 (permalink)
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I think no matter what we are stuck with him until after the CBA is resolved. He has shown some good and mostly bad traits for this organization. He should be commended for putting such trust in his young players, a lot of coaches would not be willing to put their reputations on the line for development.

I think he has done an questionable job dealing with the injuries and the limitations of this roster. I think offensively as well as defensively there could have been better game planning. But I have been optimistic about some of the two man play with both DDR or Bayless and Bargs, for example the little hand off plays off the elbow. That being said I think Kleiza and Hedo before him were grossly underused, and were always shadowing the position of Bargs on the perimeter, crowding each other into bad shoots. I think his use of Jack and Caldron at the 1 and 2 was maybe the worst rotational calling I have ever seen. Considering we had A. Wright, Belly and Weems on the bench. A. Wright and Belly IMO were never given a real opportunity to play a role on this team. Much the same way Julien Wright was and is being used this year.

Defensively He is terrible. We are talking about a guy who has been with this organization for longer then I think every player on this roster. He should know inside and out the collective abilities of this team better then anyone. He just shows zero ability to mask the poor Defensive play of Bargs, Caldron, DDR. He has made up his mind IMO that he would rather race to a 100 hundred with a opponent then try to stop anybody. My main Problem is that I don't think that this team should be bending to egos and contracts in a rebuilding year. We should be trying to establish a balanced team. So why are we game after game trotting out a starting line up with so many defensive liabilities.

I think the over all treatment of Andrea is another glaring negative. Why does Bargs still look like he is lost when things break down, IMO Traino and staff should have gone through every possible scenario with him. Ie. Jose going to get blown by. This happens multiple times a game, and Bargs is still confused as what to do next, "should I switch? should I seal off my man?". Often he is the middle not even in position for the rebound. Andrea should have been belittled to point of tears, he should have been held accountable for every mind less mistake. Ie. "wholly shit Bargs just lost Bogut in transition again". But instead he starts every game, he is given the majority of the touches and with out any recourse drops into a coma every time he crosses back into the defensive end.
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Fine let's start this line up:

Bayless
Barbosa
Johnson
Evans
Amir

With a bench rotation of Weems, Davis, Wright and Dorsey.

There you have it. A nine man rotation and you're benching Jose, Bargnani and Demar.

I guarantee you, if Triano did this, he'd crucified by everyone. Hell, I don't even know how THAT team would score. But hey, you'd be benching guys and putting in your best defenders.
I think 4 missed plays either way is a good indication to sit someone at least till the end of halph. IMO

We have to give these players a reason to fight for minutes!
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:48 AM   #97 (permalink)
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From D.Smith this morning... thoughts?

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I’ve come to one conclusion after that weekend back-to-back.

I think Bryan should pick up the option year of Jay’s contract today.

It would send a message of support to the coach, let the players know what’s going on and, because these guys still play hard for him and he’s sticking with the development plan that’s in place and because he’s a good coach, they should just do it.

Right, Bryan?

Here’s another harsh reality that makes it sensible to do it now:

Jay’s relatively cheap, he (like so many others in the game) won’t get his full salary for the duration of any lockout and if there is a lockout, wouldn’t it make sense to have a coach in place when it ends so you’re not scurrying around having to overpay someone when it’s settled?
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:52 AM   #98 (permalink)
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BC isn't doing shit for Jay until he's re-signed. And as usual D. Smith is a moron.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:09 AM   #99 (permalink)
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Not really a big fan of Triano, but after watching the last two games, the team can actually play defense. In Chicago, they were making stops, but were outmuscled for rebounds. Can Jay really push and make Bargnani play defense. After five seasons in the NBA, he is what he is. Jay and Bargs cannot co-exist. If they keep Triano, Bargnani has to go.
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Not really a big fan of Triano, but after watching the last two games, the team can actually play defense. In Chicago, they were making stops, but were outmuscled for rebounds. Can Jay really push and make Bargnani play defense. After five seasons in the NBA, he is what he is. Jay and Bargs cannot co-exist. If they keep Triano, Bargnani has to go.
I'd be fine with that if Jose is also gone. Our two weakest links on D. Keep Triano for his one year option, get rid of Bargs/Jose as long as you bring in defensive upgrades and see what Triano can do there in his final season. I would welcome that actually.
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