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Old 03-30-2011, 12:42 PM   #61 (permalink)
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"Underachieved"?

Out of curiosity how many games did you expect us to win in those last 2-3 seasons with one all-star and a bunch of spares?
there was high hopes for last year.
How many people envisioned greatness from Bosh and hedo.
When hedo was signed. Everyone thought it was great. Maybe the reason we failed hasnt hedo but the lacksy daisey attitude of the coach.

Sure hedo must take resposibility. but how about the coaching.
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Because you say you don't know what to think of Triano after 3 seasons, yet when Mitchel had shit talent eveyone made their minds up damn fast even after he started getting results. I just find that strange. Just a general observation.
ya...i said I don't know what to think of triano after 3 season. what other people made up their minds about mitchell isn't my problem. its not inconsistent with what i said cuz i didn't give an opinion on mitchell.

but to ur point on smitch, you said people wanted him gone towards the end? i think it was pretty divided. and he had more talent. they were the 3rd seed that year and lost to the nets. that goes with my point that a coach shows its true colors when hes got a good team. there were high expectations during the period smitch was coach. expectations now? not so much. thats why i reserve judgement
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ya...i said I don't know what to think of triano after 3 season. what other people made up their minds about mitchell isn't my problem. its not inconsistent with what i said cuz i didn't give an opinion on mitchell.

but to ur point on smitch, you said people wanted him gone towards the end? i think it was pretty divided. and he had more talent. they were the 3rd seed that year and lost to the nets. that goes with my point that a coach shows its true colors when hes got a good team. there were high expectations during the period smitch was coach. expectations now? not so much. thats why i reserve judgement
Where did I say it was about you specically?
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:47 PM   #64 (permalink)
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did we like or did we dislike triano isn't the question !

should we keep him for the next season, is the question !
and at this one i would say YES.
1. because of the lookout. no need to pay a vet coach with gold, when he wouldn't do anything during a limit season.
2. we will have one more young asset to come, and we need a coach who knows how to develop players. triano did a solid works with DD, and with davis.


if the next season is short, no need to go after a new coach.
this has nothing to do with talent but franchise perspective.
which coach would come here next season ?
everybody talks about some player who don't want to come here play, but if that is the case, why some good vet coach would want to come.
so, in the matter of next season, i would keep triano.

DD shows some progress (score and rebound lately). he should progress at D for sure.
davis become more dominant in frontcourt.
JJ shows he can be our glue at D.
bayless shows he can defend any dynamic pg, so as a backup pg that is fine.
we need a real pg who can defend, and especially a true center who cares about rebound, defense, and really has a minset defense-winning.
barg and the not a big deal speach can go. and if that happend i would want to seee what triano can do with a 5starter who cares about winning and defend. because let's face it, not only the coach but also players are involve.

IF BC goes away, and a new GM like pritchard come here, i hope the first thing they do will be trade Bargnani away.

make good decision with the roster and after that observe what triano can do. after all we need to develop our player, so we can wait one more year with him (especially with a next semi-season).


walker/bayless/barbosa
DD/barbo/?
JJ/kleiza/?
amir/davis/?
dalembert/?/?
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:48 PM   #65 (permalink)
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A little bit of Raptor History:

Raptors are headed for their third worst season season in team history:

Worst Season: 16-66 mark in 1997-98, Darrel Walker was fired
Second Worst: 21-61 in the inaugural season, Brendan Malone was fired.
Third Worst: current season
Fourth Worst: 24 wins in 2002-03, Lenny Wilkins was fired.

It can be argued that all those three teams had far less talent than the current team. All three coaches were fired. Can we really give keys for another season to a guy who is about to lead his team to its third-worst record in franchise history.

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Old 03-30-2011, 12:49 PM   #66 (permalink)
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there was high hopes for last year.
How many people envisioned greatness from Bosh and hedo.
When hedo was signed. Everyone thought it was great. Maybe the reason we failed hasnt hedo but the lacksy daisey attitude of the coach.

Sure hedo must take resposibility. but how about the coaching.
None of that is on him. Come on son?
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"Because you say you don't know what to think of Triano after 3 seasons, yet when Mitchel had shit talent eveyone made their minds up damn fast even after he started getting results."

ok...thats great, so what.

i like strawberries
completely irrelevant
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"Because you say you don't know what to think of Triano after 3 seasons, yet when Mitchel had shit talent eveyone made their minds up damn fast even after he started getting results."

ok...thats great, so what.

i like strawberries
completely irrelevant
Cool, I like strawberries too. Lol
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Cool, I like strawberries too. Lol
cool, another thing we have incommon to go along with our hate for bargnani
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cool, another thing we have incommon to go along with our hate for bargnani
How do you feel about melons?
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A little bit of Raptor History:

Raptors are headed for their third worst season season in team history:

Worst Season: 16-66 mark in 1997-98, Darrel Walker was fired
Second Worst: 21-61 in the inaugural season, Brendan Malone was fired.
Third Worst: current season
Fourth Worst: 24 wins in 2002-03, Lenny Wilkins was fired.

It can be argued that all those three teams had far less talent than the current team. All three coaches were fired. Can we really give keys for another season to a guy who is about to lead his team to its third-worst record in franchise history.
Huh?

Darrell Walker resigned halfway through the season and Malone was fired by Thomas because he wanted to win instead of developing youth.
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How do you feel about melons?
LOL, i like those too
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Then why is it that after his first couple seasons here Mitchel was hated? He probably had less talent. Then he got a little more talent and we started winning and he was still deemed a bad coach, and when he won COY it was atributed to the division, and when we were .500 the following season and we made the playoffs again nobody wanted him back. So his first 4yrs, 2 playoff appearences, division title, COY award and he wasn't wanted here by many. And now when Triano has shown a lot worse in 3 seasons it's everyones fault but his.
Either you have an extremely short memory or you were still watching the Leafs when Mitchell was the coach because every single critisicm levied towards Triano applies to him too. The team looked lost on defense, his rotations were questionable (the ever popular hockey line style change where he'd replace all five guys sticks out in my mind), his in game adjustments were nonexsistent, his x's and o's were questionable, his plays at the end of games, out of timeouts and in short clock situations were deplorable and the intensity level was not there very night. Add in his refusal to read the scouting report and create a game plan based on the opponent and getting our asses handed to us two years in a row in the playoffs...being completely embarrassed by Orlando and yet he kept starting Andrea at the 3, letting Kobe go for 81, fighting with players, waiting to call timeouts not before we lost a sizeable lead, but after losing the lead etc. and I don't know why you keep bringing him up either.
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Either you have an extremely short memory or you were still watching the Leafs when Mitchell was the coach because every single critisicm levied towards Triano applies to him too. The team looked lost on defense, his rotations were questionable (the ever popular hockey line style change sticks out in my mind), his in game adjustments were nonexsistent, his x's and o's were questionable, his plays at the end of games, out of timeouts and in short clock situations were deplorable and the intensity level was not there very night. Add in his refusal to read the scouting report and create a game plan based on the opponent and getting our asses handed to us two years in a row in the playoffs...being completely embarrassed by Orlando and yet he kept starting Andrea at the 3, letting Kobe go for 81, fighting with players, waiting to call timeouts not before we lost a sizeable lead, but after losing the lead etc. and I don't know why you keep bringing him up either.
I don't agree with all that. But let's just say all that is true. He got more results then Triano, with not really any better talent for the most part. What does that say about Triano and his ever loving defenders? Allowing 84pts in a half to a shit team is no better then one of the best players going off for 81.
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Huh?

Darrell Walker resigned halfway through the season and Malone was fired by Thomas because he wanted to win instead of developing youth.
Resigned maybe the nice way of saying it. After winning a respectable 30 games in his first full season as head coach, and only winning 11 games in 49 games and clashes with Tracy McGrady, Walker did something that was going to happen. Back to the topic, you don't give another chance to a coach for a third season when the team is headed for its third worst season in franchise history.
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Back to the topic, you don't give another chance to a coach for a third season when the team is headed for its third worst season in franchise history.
you do when he's cheap and there's probably a lockout coming. unless the labour negotiation improves dramatically in a short time, triano will be back. there's no way mlse is paying 2 coaches when there are no games happening.
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you do when he's cheap and there's probably a lockout coming. unless the labour negotiation improves dramatically in a short time, triano will be back. there's no way mlse is paying 2 coaches when there are no games happening.
If there is a lockout why pick up his option for next season?
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There is one very good reason to fire Triano....and that is so we don't have to listen to people yelp about how he needs to be fired..... although they will likely be clamouring for the next coach to be fired before long, when we still suck giant donkey balls.
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you do when he's cheap and there's probably a lockout coming. unless the labour negotiation improves dramatically in a short time, triano will be back. there's no way mlse is paying 2 coaches when there are no games happening.
his 3rd yr is an option. we will not have to pay for 2 coaches if triano disappears.
the fact is we need to start changing the culture of the raps, triano is still a run and gun type of coach, until we get a defense first coach we won't get anywhere fast regardless of our roster.
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you do when he's cheap and there's probably a lockout coming. unless the labour negotiation improves dramatically in a short time, triano will be back. there's no way mlse is paying 2 coaches when there are no games happening.
I beg to differ:

"Jay Triano is in the final guaranteed year of his contract with the team holding an option on the 2011-2012 season that must be acted upon by mid June."

No financial obligation for next year.
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